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[Maral]

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Edited by Maral, 11 October 2004 - 02:27 PM.

[joseph parikian]

KERRY DENIES ACCEPTANCE OF ARMENIAN 'GENOCIDE'

YEREVAN, OCTOBER 8. ARMINFO. The US Democratic Party's Presidential Candidate, Senator John F. Kerry, put a damper on the expectations of Armenian lobbyists on the issue of genocide. Kerry denied claims made by the Armenian lobby in late August that he will accept the Armenian Genocide resolution. The Presidential candidate told Zaman that he contributed to Senator Robert Dole's initiatives on the subject in 1990, but said he has not made any statement that he would accept the resolution either before the upcoming elections on November 2nd or within the last 10 years. Kerry said, "Turkey is one of America's oldest allies and it will remain so."

In the first round of debates between the presidential candidates, Kerry narrowed the gap between him and his Republican rival, US President George W. Bush. Kerry, like Bush, gave his full support to Turkey's accession to the European Union (EU). The Massachusetts Senator added that Turkey's candidacy is a must for both Europe and Turkey. He said if he is elected President, the friendship between the two countries will be maintained as is. At a Democrat Party committee meeting on October 2nd, the Senator paused when he was told that his statement that he intends to accept the alleged Armenian genocide deeply upset Turkish society and voters of Turkish origin. He asked when he had made the statement and was told "last month." Kerry responded by absolutely denying it and stressed that he has said no such thing over the past ten years. At a musical festival titled "Armenstock-Kef for Kerry" held on August 28, 2004 that was organized by the American National Committee for Armenians (ANCA) in Massachusetts, a letter allegedly sent by Kerry was read by Democratic Congressional member, Barney Frank . The letter conveyed that the Democratic Presidential candidate would accept the resolution on April 24, 2005, the 90th anniversary of the alleged Armenian genocide.


From ARMINFO
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Another Flip-Flop

Edited by joseph parikian, 12 October 2004 - 04:26 PM.

[ED]

Hi Hovsep, inchpeses? can you do me a fayvor and do not post fonts like that please? now edit it will you?

[DominO]

Jos... here a reply to the Zaman article.

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Armenian National Committee of America
888 17th St., NW, Suite 904
Washington, DC 20006
Tel: (202) 775-1918
Fax: (202) 775-5648
E-mail: anca@anca.org
Internet: www.anca.org

PRESS RELEASE
October 9, 2004
Contact: Elizabeth S. Chouldjian
Tel: (202) 775-1918

KERRY CAMPAIGN SETS RECORD STRAIGHT
ON FALSE STORY IN THE TURKISH PRESS

-- Reinforces Strong Record on Armenian Issues;
Stresses Sharp Differences with President Bush

WASHINGTON, DC - The text of the Kerry campaign's response to a
fabricated story that recently appeared in the Turkish newspaper
Zaman is provided below.

`We appreciate John Kerry's quick action to set the record straight
regarding a blatantly fabricated attempt to misrepresent his 20-year
record of principled support for U.S. recognition of the Armenian
Genocide, strong U.S.-Armenia ties, and other issues of special
importance to Armenian American voters,' said ANCA Executive
Director Aram Hamparian.

`Senator Kerry's rapid response to this latest act of desperation by
deniers of the Armenian Genocide underscores the depth of his
commitment to recognizing the Armenian Genocide, highlights the
importance he attaches to reaching out to Armenian American voters,
and dramatically illustrates the contrast between his record of
principled leadership and the President's neglect and opposition to a
broad range of Armenian American issues.'

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For Immediate Release Contact:

Mark Kitchens, 202-464-2800
October 9, 2004

RESPONSE TO FALSE REPORTS IN ZAMAN ABOUT JOHN KERRY'S
POSITION ON ISSUES OF IMPORTANCE TO ARMENIAN AMERICANS

Today John Kerry Spokesman Mark Kitchens issued the following
statement in response to false reports in Zaman about John Kerry's
position on issues of importance to Armenia Americans. "There is no
truth to the report published recently in the Turkish newspaper
"Zaman."

"John Kerry's record in the Senate and his statements during this
campaign have consistently supported U.S. recognition of the
Armenian Genocide. "John Kerry is a long-time leader on issues of
concern to Armenian Americans and is proud to have been endorsed
by the Armenian National Committee of America.

"The choice for Armenian Americans is clear. They can either have four
more years of neglect and even outright opposition from the Bush
administration, or a Kerry-Edwards administration that supports the
issues they care about and welcomes their input."

- 30-


[GROONG NOTE: Here's the Zaman article in full. Over the last 2 days
it has been submitted to us 8 times. --AB ]


Kerry Denies Acceptance of Armenian 'Genocide'

Zaman Online - Zaman.org
INTERNATIONAL 10.09.2004 01:57 Saturday

[Some versions also dated:
October 8, 2004
Source: Zaman Gazetesi
http://www.zaman.com...041008&hn=12850 ]


The US Democratic Party's Presidential Candidate, Senator John F. Kerry, put
a damper on the expectations of Armenian lobbyists on the issue of genocide.

Zaman Turkey -- Kerry denied claims made by the Armenian lobby in late
August that he will accept the Armenian Genocide resolution. The
Presidential candidate told Zaman that he contributed to Senator Robert
Dole's initiatives on the subject in 1990, but said he has not made any
statement that he would accept the resolution either before the upcoming
elections on November 2nd or within the last 10 years. Kerry said, "Turkey
is one of America's oldest allies and it will remain so."

In the first round of debates between the presidential candidates, Kerry
narrowed the gap between him and his Republican rival, US President George
W. Bush. Kerry, like Bush, gave his full support to Turkey's accession to
the European Union (EU). The Massachusetts Senator added that Turkey's
candidacy is a must for both Europe and Turkey. He said if he is elected
President, the friendship between the two countries will be maintained as
is.

At a Democrat Party committee meeting on October 2nd, the Senator paused
when he was told that his statement that he intends to accept the alleged
Armenian genocide deeply upset Turkish society and voters of Turkish origin.
He asked when he had made the statement and was told "last month." Kerry
responded by absolutely denying it and stressed that he has said no such
thing over the past ten years.

At a musical festival titled "Armenstock-Kef for Kerry" held on August 28,
2004 that was organized by the American National Committee for Armenians
(ANCA) in Massachusetts, a letter allegedly sent by Kerry was read by
Democratic Congressional member, Barney Frank. The letter conveyed that the
Democratic Presidential candidate would accept the resolution on April 24,
2005, the 90th anniversary of the alleged Armenian genocide.

[ED]

Domino do you know if the copy of that letter which was sent at that "Kef" exists?

So Kerry sold his self to a highest bidder, what else is new?
I don’t recall who said it but there is no deference in politicians and prostitutes, two of the world’s oldest professions
Who said money can’t buy everything??

[DominO]

Domino do you know if the copy of that letter which was sent at that "Kef" exists?

So Kerry sold his self to a highest bidder, what else is new?
I don’t recall who said it but there is no deference in politicians and prostitutes, two of the world’s oldest professions
Who said money can’t buy everything??

Ed. If Kerry doesn't recognise the genocide, it won't surprise me, what would suprise me would be if he recognise it. But what I can say is that the claims that Kerry dismissed his previous statments regarding the genocide came only from a Turkish newspaper that is known to have fabricated many news in the past(Zaman). I havn't found any other newspapers that confirm Kerrys denial, beside those that have quoted Zaman(ex. ArmenInfo). The ANCA press-released that the news has been fabricated by Zaman, and if I don't have any confirmations of Kerry denial beside Zaman, I will take the ANCA words as truth.

But still, even if Kerry havn't denied his previous statments, don't forget he isn't president yet, and what indicate that he'll keep his words after being elected?

[Armen]

Zaman (ex. ArmenInfo)

[DominO]

 

Wasn't intentional.

[Armat]

I am voting for Kerry including my wife and he does have a great record on AG in senate and MA.
It is funny that Turks are really worried about Kerry and starting to show their asses too soon.

[Armat]

Joseph
before you repeat the juvenile Bush slogans it would be better that you actually do some research.
Elect Bush and expect the Azeris celebrating even more with US bases right on next door!!!
Oil interests equates with Bush and Chaney. No intelligent Armenian should vote for Bush.It qualifies as a treason to our nation.

[Nakharar]

Armat, don't take Kerry at face value. Like always we have to prepare ourselves for the inevitable disappointment. His remarks in that Turkish newspaper and his subsequent denial should be a point in case. His record in the Senate and that of his prospective Secretary of State Joseph Biden despite his very pro-Armenian stance shouldn't fool anyone.

[Armat]

Armat, don't take Kerry at face value. Like always we have to prepare ourselves for the inevitable disappointment. His remarks in that Turkish newspaper and his subsequent denial should be a point in case. His record in the Senate and that of his prospective Secretary of State Joseph Biden despite his very pro-Armenian stance shouldn't fool anyone.

Dear N
First anything Turkish newspapers say should be prepared as toiled paper. Remember all the misquotes they attributed to Kocharian’s remarks? Classic.
Second, more importantly even if Kerry changes his AG stand still his Iraq policy and the Middle East region would be different then present neo-con Bush expansionism.The US bases in Azerbaijan serve the purpose of possible invasion of Iran (another “enemy” of Israel) and solidifying US influence in the region on the negative consequence to Karabagh settlement (the proposed bases are extremely close to Karabagh)and the regional geopolitics.
Bush-Chaney personally invested heavily on Baku oil pipeline and that should say where Bush priority is in the region.

[Maral]

I have no idea who to vote for...it was so easy before,dad would fill out my booklet and I would go and vote...anyone want to have the priviledge of controlling my vote this year?

ok here's something else I cam accross...

"Leading economists have a message for America: “John Kerry favors economic policies that, if implemented, would lead to bigger and more intrusive government and a lower standard of living for the American people.”


That was the conclusion released in a statement Wednesday by 368 economists, including six Nobel laureates: Gary Becker, James Buchanan, Milton Friedman, Robert Lucas, Robert Mundell, and — the winner of this year’s Nobel Prize in Economics — Edward C. Prescott. The economists warned that Sen. Kerry’s policies “would, over time, inhibit capital formation, depress productivity growth, and make the United States less competitive internationally. The end result would be lower U.S. employment and real wage growth."

Read more here:
http://www.nationalr...00410131105.asp

[Twilight Bark]

I have no idea who to vote for...it was so easy before,dad would fill out my booklet and I would go and vote...anyone want to have the priviledge of controlling my vote this year?   

ok here's something else I cam accross...

"Leading economists have a message for America: “John Kerry favors economic policies that, if implemented, would lead to bigger and more intrusive government and a lower standard of living for the American people.”
That was the conclusion released in a statement Wednesday by 368 economists, including six Nobel laureates: Gary Becker, James Buchanan, Milton Friedman, Robert Lucas, Robert Mundell, and — the winner of this year’s Nobel Prize in Economics — Edward C. Prescott. The economists warned that Sen. Kerry’s policies “would, over time, inhibit capital formation, depress productivity growth, and make the United States less competitive internationally. The end result would be lower U.S. employment and real wage growth."

Read more here:
http://www.nationalr...00410131105.asp

Irresponsible tax cuts, as well as reckless and hugely expensive wars are much more likely to ruin the economic future of America. According to the Cheney doctrine, "deficits don't matter", and who's Bush to argue. According to a poll conducted by The Economist (a fiscally conservative British publication that even supported Bush's war), most economists favored Kerry over Bush, although neither was regarded blemish-free.

Even for ordinary Americans that are not wedded to an ideology, Kerry is the obvious choice by virtue of the fact that he is not Bush. And Bush hasn't given Armenians any reason to like him. What's there to think?

[Armat]

Maral
On every presidential election republicans say the same things about democrats- big spender, tax hike liberals etc.
Bill Clinton proved them all wrong. Not only he balanced the budget but also created a surplus, which under Bush is all wiped out.

[joseph parikian]

Joseph
before you repeat the juvenile Bush slogans it would be better that you actually do some research.
Elect Bush and expect the Azeris celebrating even more with US bases right on next door!!!
Oil interests equates with Bush and Chaney. No intelligent Armenian should vote for Bush.It qualifies as a treason to our nation.

Armat i did not repeat what Bush said
This artical was from arminfo
http://www.arminfo.a...ws-issue900.htm

[Maral]

NO one wants their vote to be counted twice?
I can't believe no one has taken me up on my offer of controlling my vote!
What a bunch of whimps !
I'm hoping my dad is amused by this