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[Harut]

fixed MJ's message

MJ
the correct font name to use is Arial AM not Arial Armenian
the · and ¢ problem is probably from your computer.

[MJ]

Thanks, Harut. How can I fix that problem in my computer, though?

[MJ]

Sorry, but the problem with "g" still persists. Instead of it, I see a triangular symbol. The rest seems to be OK.

[nairi]

... and one more counterexample:

If one is to support the expression "indz hamar djour ber," with the same logic one has to support also the "indz hamar djour tur" expression. Try to say the latter and see if your tongue would not break over it.

I think I already said that this point made by SAS does not always make sense, and that therefore it would best be ignored until we get our sources together.

I just hope that the discussion here will now not turn into whether this example makes sense or not, because clearly it has no ground to stand on.

I once more suggest, to everyone who is interested in knowing why grammarians have made the list of preps and postps the way they have, to do some research and then post it here so we can study it and then potentially discuss it.

This is the only way to keep this thread academic.

May I also suggest that we learn some basic internationally accepted linguistic terms so as to not confuse each other when speaking. Without that we will only end up misunderstanding each other where it is absolutely unnecessary.

[SAS]

... and one more counterexample:

If one is to support the expression "indz hamar djour ber," with the same logic one has to support also the "indz hamar djour tur" expression. Try to say the latter and see if your tongue would not break over it.

MJ,

yes der tarakusanqi mej em, te inch eq Duq uzum apacucel? Lezun matematika chi, yev pordzel amen inch tramabanoren bacatrel inch-inch kanonneric yelnelov, arnvazn miamtutyun e: Mi angam lezvaban Gurgen Sevak@ harcnum e Paruyr Sevakin, te inchu petq e aydpes grel? P.Sevaki pataskhan@ yeghel e."Vorovhetev aydpes en grel mer nakhninner@, aydpes e avandvats": Yev verj:

I verjo: Yes grel ei, te indz hamar EL jur ber = indz EL jur ber yev avelacrel, vor vorosh depqerum kareli e "hamar" bar@ bac toghnel: Yev verj:

[MJ]

... and one more counterexample:

If one is to support the expression "indz hamar djour ber," with the same logic one has to support also the "indz hamar djour tur" expression. Try to say the latter and see if your tongue would not break over it.

MJ,

yes der tarakusanqi mej em, te inch eq Duq uzum apacucel? Lezun matematika chi, yev pordzel amen inch tramabanoren bacatrel inch-inch kanonneric yelnelov, arnvazn miamtutyun e: Mi angam lezvaban Gurgen Sevak@ harcnum e Paruyr Sevakin, te inchu petq e aydpes grel? P.Sevaki pataskhan@ yeghel e."Vorovhetev aydpes en grel mer nakhninner@, aydpes e avandvats": Yev verj:

I verjo: Yes grel ei, te indz hamar EL jur ber = indz EL jur ber yev avelacrel, vor vorosh depqerum kareli e "hamar" bar@ bac toghnel: Yev verj:

Ev ais bolore hanun mi bani, aio? Vorpeszi ardaratcnel mi skhal ev haieren lezvin anharir artahaitutian ogtagortsume...

Yes vsath em vor "aidpes chen grel mer nakhninere." Dzer aknanrkneritc mekum nshavats er te "Sa zhamanakakitc haiereni tjisht dzevn e." Hima nakhnineri?

Yes voreve ban apatsutselu karik chunem. Aptcuitce petk e nerkaiatcnen nrank ovker haieren lezvi tramabanutiunitc durs nor ev chardaratcvatc aracharkutiunner en anum.

I dep, bolor gitutiunneri tsutsakum, lezun amenamotn e mathematikakan tramabanutiane. Sa gitakan past e.

Parzapes aroria kiankum, erb bane hasnum e "yesin," irentc masin vermabartc haierenov khoselu hivandutiamb tarapov mardik vaieluch chen hamarum "im hamar" ogtagortsel. Sa aveli vat e kan ruserenum ev anglerenum, ur "yes" deranune metsatarov e grvum.

Edited by MJ, 04 November 2003 - 12:21 PM.

[nairi]

Would the proper Armenian be "piti herakhosem" or "piti telefonem"?

Lol. Sorry, I missed the joke yesterday. My head was elsewhere...

But were you not the one who was against long words in Armenian? ...

K@herakhosem te k@heradzaynem?

Telefonem: for some reason Russians who add that ts sound with t's come to mind... tselefon I can already hear Hayastancis (no offence!!) saying stuff like "vapshe chem tselefonel"

[KavorKin99]

im hamar ko hamar saxin hamar lol

[Khazar]

If we are to say "indz mot" (using accusative "indz"), why can we shorten that to "mot@s", which is basically "im mot"? As in "mot@s pogh chka".

[sev-mard]

What dialect is that Khazar? motas?

[Khazar]

I thought '@' was the standard (or at least widely used) sign to stand for 'uh', the 8th letter in Arm. alphabet.

Anyways, 'motes', 'motus'... ?

[sev-mard]

No that @ isn't the problem. I'm studying right now and haven't reached that part yet.

So i was wondering if it's beruitsi or barskahye style or just some standard armenian I dont know yet.

I bet it's C.

[Khazar]

Sev-mard,

It's just eastern Armenian!

Ps, don't worry. The more I learn about Armenian grammar, the more I realize I don't know!

[sev-mard]

Lav, yes arevelkian hayaren'n sovorumem. Merci


And I thought learning japanese grammar was hard, but armenian grammar is pretty tough I must say.


cheers

[Harut]

sev-mard
it is 'arevelian' without 'k'
Արևելյան
Արևմտյան

[sev-mard]

thanks Harut,

I can read it there in your post
arvelian
arvmtian

[MJ]

ARMENIAN LANGUAGE IS ENDANGERED

Parliament has today discussed the “Law on the Armenian Language” and the issues on protecting the Armenian in general. Parliament’ Committee on Science, Education, Culture and Youth held special parliamentary hearings on the problem.
The scientists, teachers and intellectuals present for the discussion shared the opinion that ”Law on the Armenian Language” is rather liberal and some amendments to it are needed.

Besides, a state approach is necessary to preserve the Armenian, which is now in catastrophic situation. It’s not so easy since everyone even MPs speak bad Armenian.

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