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#1 Arpa

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 01:56 PM

FLOTILLA SINKILLA
Flotilla no float-illa .
Is that “flotilla” still “floating?
david and goliath dejavu. What’s in it for us?
ՇԱՆ ԱՏԱՄԸ եւ ԽՈԶԻ ԿԱՇԻՆ
Itin dishi , domuzun derisi. The dog’s fang and the pig’s skin. One is sharp and the other tough. :oops: , Ironically both moshe and mehmet disdain the pig.. none of those dogs touch a pig. When moshe found out he has no friends in the region adopted mehmet, who had no friends either, and visa versa..
Let’s see what Shakespeare had said about it. In Romeo and Juliet he says- “Plague on both of their houses” , a paraphrase from Latin “Pox on both of their houses“.
http://hyeforum.com/...showtopic=28018
This is not the first time. I have, on numerous occasions invited our friends to once again tell us how our destiny, history, the present and the future is a “clone” of those “chosen people”, all the way from that idiot noah. Where are all our friends who have been telling us that “hay” and “hrya” are natural clones?
How come no one has sung the anthem "Yeghbayr dartsan Hayastan hryastan" in quite sometime? Did Foxman bite our tongue?
OK! Wish us more curses!
It has been over 60 years since 1948 when that country was established, and even longer when it was first conceived.
OK! Wish us that we use them as a model.
Since that date there has not been even one year, one month, one week, one day, one hour, one minute, one second of peace there, where the entire citizenship goes to bed with their military boots on. No end in sight.
And now, dear armeno-hrya pundits, please tell us how you wish that our destiny be tied to theirs’ and we imitate and ape their apelike existence.
Do we mean that the Artsakh Saga and our other sagas be like theirs?
Yeah, yeah! Where are our friends who have been advocating that we are “brothers of destiny” with them, all sons of noah. . How come they have all shut up? Noah who? Like “no was”?
May both of their “flotillas” stop floating and sink to the bottom of “Atlantis” or some other mythical ocean.
Who knows the adage “Union Made in Heaven”? Their union is made in HELL.
So far official Yerevan has been silent. Good for them. Maybe they already know the saying-
ՇՍՆ ԱՏԱՄԸ եւ ԽՈԶԻ ԿԱՇԻՆ

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 02:18 PM

Hypocrasy has no limits, almost every article talks about the Armenians since the souring of the relationship.

AN OPEN LETTER TO TURKEY
Contributed by Sultan Knish (Reporter)

Before It's News
http://beforeitsnews..._to_Turkey.html
June 3 2010

Dear Former Friends,

Ever since you decided to trade in the Secularism of Ataturk for the
Islamism of Erdogan, you also seem to have dispensed with the ability
to coexist with non-Muslims on a peaceful basis. These days all we ever
seem to get from you, is video clips of your leader, Prime Minister
Erdogan, barking at us like a dog that its owner carelessly let off
the leash. And if you don't know that Erdogan's owner lives in Riyadh,
then you don't know very much of what goes on in your own country.

But your affairs are your own affairs. And our affairs are our
affairs. If you want to let a fanatic in a cheap suit destroy Turkish
nationalism in the name of Islam, that's your business. But when
he gets into business with terrorist organizations who attack and
murder our soldiers, then it's our business. And when a country that
persecutes its Kurdish, Assyrian and Armenian citizens, and sends
their elected representatives to jail-- presumes to self-righteously
lecture us on how to manage our affairs, it had better remember that
holding a stone throwing contest in a glass house will just lead to
piles of broken glass.

You say you want an international investigation into the flotilla
raid? Sure. Right after we have an international investigation into
that minor matter of Armenian genocide that you've been ducking for
quite a while. As the new "standard bearer" in fighting for human
rights, I'm sure you will agree that it's only fair that Turkey should
undergo the same scrutiny it demands for other countries.

And then we can move on to the more than 10,000 political prisoners in
your jails. A number that at times has topped 100,000. An independent
investigation could also begin by looking into the torture and murder
of political activists such as Engin Ceber. They could meet with
representatives of TAYAD, the organization representing the families
of prisoners. And they would no doubt be fascinated by the more than
1500 children in your prisoners who are there on "terrorism" charges.

Like that 12 year old you arrested in 2008 for singing a Kurdish folk
song. So by all means wrap yourselves in the banner of "Human Rights"
and we'll turn it into a noose and strangle you with it.

In Israel, Arabs are a legally recognized minority. Arabic is taught in
schools and used as a legally recognized language. Meanwhile Kurdish
identity is all but banned in Turkey. Kurdish names, folk songs and
even the Kurdish language itself has been repressed. Your regime has
actually prosecuted and removed officials for simply incorporating a
Kurdish phrase into a greeting. You screech self-righteously about the
"Palestinian children"-- perhaps we should talk about the hundreds of
Kurdish children arrested for throwing stones at protests. Arrested
and charged with terrorism. Just more of the thousands of political
prisoners of oppressed minorities in your prisons.

And perhaps next time your dog Erdogan gets up to bark up at us about
human rights, we can stuff this in his mouth. Jenin, the Second
Lebanon War and every armed encounter between Israel and Islamic
terrorists over the last 20 years combined together killed fewer
people, than your country did in 1997 alone. After you get through
lecturing us on the use of force against Islamic terrorists, shall we
discuss how many times you used jets to bomb Kurdish rebels who were
lightly armed at best. Including in 2008 when you invaded sovereign
Iraqi soil in order to continue your genocide of the Kurdish people.

You talk about stolen land, when your entire country is stolen land,
from Cyprus to Istanbul. Your regime is a racist illegitimate entity
based on the oppression of the Kurds, the Armenians, the Assyrians,
the Circassians and numerous others. You went directly from being
Imperialists to Fascists to Islamists, a truly dubious achievement
for any nation. Your history is filled with slavery, ethnic cleansing,
genocide and invasion. And that's just in the last century alone. If
you had any sanity or shame, you would dig a hole, crawl into it, and
hope that no one mentions words like "Minority Rights" or "Territorial
Legitimacy" in your presence, instead of trying to use them as a club
against a nation whose national history predates yours by thousands
of years. We had kingdoms and a civilization that changed the world,
back when your ancestors were still trying to decide whether to eat
the sheep or rape it.

But let us get back to your precious Islamist flotilla, decorated
with Turkish flags that used to be more than just red versions of the
Saudi flag. That ship you filled up with Muslim Brotherhood members
and Islamist radicals bound for our shores. Over in your wonderful
nation of boundless freedom, reporters have been put on trial for even
interviewing leaders of terrorist groups. You sentenced the head of
a Kurdish party to six months in prison for calling the head of the
PKK, Mr. Ocalan, instead of just Ocalan. He joins the more than 800
Kurdish politicians you imprisoned in the last year alone. And after
all that you actually have the nerve to pretend to be "outraged"
when Israel intercepts your flotilla full of political terrorists?

But of course we know how strongly you feel about blockades. Like
the time you blockaded Armenia for Sixteen Years. Very well then. If
you insist on sending vessels flying the Turkish flag to aid Hamas,
perhaps we'll begin sending vessels flying the Israeli flag to aid
the PKK. We're not big fans of the PKK, but since you've decided to
friend Hamas, then what's good for the turkey, just might be good for
the gander. We can also fill a flotilla full of senile troublemakers,
phony survivors and leftist radicals-- along with a few hundred well
armed "activists" who know how to use a knife. Or perhaps we won't
bother with any of that. Instead for every boat flying the Turkish
flag that invades our territory, we'll donate a million to the PKK. I
wonder how many rocket launchers that would buy. Perhaps the next
time, your air force sweeps in to bomb Kurds out of their homes,
they might get a surprise or two.

And then there's the Republic of Cyprus, which has actually
been helping us stop weapons smuggling. They might benefit from
significantly upgraded air defenses. While the US insists on equalizing
weapons sales to Turkey and Greece, we just might have something
tastier to offer to one side. And the citizens of the Republic
of Cyprus might actually be able to sleep soundly in their beds,
instead of being intimidated by savages showing off their F-16's
over their heads. The Cyprus National Guard likes our drones, just
like you do. But what if they had a much better equalizer at their
disposal? Being a small non-Muslim nation surrounded by much larger
Muslim countries, we do have a certain fondness for the infidel
underdog.

Oh I know, what you're going to say. This means war. But you might
want to consider that we've fought and beaten enemies many times our
size. And what exactly was the last war you won single-handedly? And
no, bombing starving Kurdish rebels from the air, or occupying
Cyprus doesn't count. And how long could you fight that war, before
a domestic Kurdish insurgency overthrows your little empire. If that
doesn't happen, you might want to think about the big Russian bear at
your back. The bear has been eyeing you for a long time now. And with
your military engaged in a disastrous war for the Great Caliphate,
your borders would be temptingly open. And who exactly would bail
you out then?

Oh I know you've made many great news friends, such as Ahmadinejad
and that nice burnoosed king in the Arabian Desert, who tells your
Erdogan when to jump and how high, but if you think Iran is about to
pass up Russian nukes in order to bail you out, you've got another
thing coming. Meanwhile old Abdullah in the desert can't even protect
himself without the US Marines. And if you think Obama would send
them in to save your asses, you've got another thing coming. I'm
sure if there were Russian tanks headed to Ankara, he'd make a vocal
statement about it. And Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov would
pretend not to laugh while hanging up the phone.

There is of course the European Union. Last time Russia pulled that
trick, it was Britain that bailed you out in the Crimean War. But
these days Her Majesty's Empire isn't quite in the same shape it used
to be. Sure Cameron, Clegg and Harman will lick Erdogan's feet. But
none of them want to be the next Tony Blair either. Germany doesn't
like you very much anymore. Perhaps that time when it got enmeshed
in WW1 to protect your Ottoman Empire may have put them off. Or your
internal campaign of subversion exploiting Germany's horde of Turkish
laborers. What are you left with then? France, Italy or perhaps Austria
will forget that whole pesky Gates of Vienna thing and this time ride
to your rescue.

No, when Russian commandos are ripping off your wife's Burqa--
there will be no one left to save you. Not your newfound allies, or
Erdogan who will take the first plane to Riyadh, with as many Lira as
his sweaty hands can shove into the pockets of his cheap suit. And
just think of it, as the Hagia Sophia church that you turned into
a mosque, will become a church again. Istanbul will once again be
Constantinople, which means a certain catchy 20's song will require
a rewrite. Of course it may not happen exactly that way. But it will
happen. Erdogan's plan to suppress and integrate Kurds into a Muslim
Turkey will not succeed. And his antagonizing of former allies means
that Turkey is exchanging friends, for enemies. Meanwhile your new
friends happen to share borders with you and have territorial claims
on your land.

So when that day of reckoning comes, you will find that you have made
enemies of former allies such as Israel and the US-- and that the
new allies Erdogan has found for you in Iran and Syria would prefer
a Russian controlled Turkey, that has no chance of ever reverting
to a Kemalist government. And Erdogan's godfather in Saudi Arabia
commands oil money, not troops. And while he might be willing to sink
Turkey for the sake of Islam, perhaps there are Turks who value their
nation, more than Islamism. If not, you can look forward to Erdogan
"reforming" your country, until it has the military might of Pakistan,
the literacy level of Saudi Arabia and the poverty rate of Egypt. It
is of course your choice.

A people have the right to choose their destiny, for good or ill. And
if you find that this letter is filled with contempt, it is a contempt
fully merited by a regime that seeks to cloak its shameful betrayal
of a former ally in the guise of human rights, when it brutally
suppresses the rights of its own minorities. You may wish to go on
dancing to the tune being played by Erdogan, to sheet music composed
in Riyadh. It is a very good tune. Filled with hate, violence and
religious fanaticism. That also is your choice. But know that whatever
you have was bought and paid by your ancestors who understood that
Turkey would either modernize out of the gutter of Islam, or it would
be washed away by the colonial tide. Your power does not come from
Islam, it comes from the bread crusts of civilization that fall from
the table of Europe. Abandon them for the red hued madness of the
Jihad, and you will not rule over an empire, but over a wasteland. If
you doubt that, look to the south and to the east. Look to the desert.

You came from there once. And if you throw away civilization for the
fanatical madness of Islam-- you will return there again.

Sincerely Yours

A Descendant of a Subject of the Ottoman Empire

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 02:24 PM

ALIK PAPER: IF ISRAEL KEEPS GAZA IN BLOCKADE, TURKEY HAS BEEN BLOCKADING ARMENIA FOR 15 YEARS

PanARMENIAN.Net
June 3, 2010 - 19:55 AMT 14:55 GMT

The "anti-Israeli" moods of Turkey, which have been observed since last
year, aim to show the Arab countries that allegedly Turkey protects
the Palestinian people's rights more than other Islamic countries,
reads an editorial of Armenian Alik paper published in Iran.

"The situation's farce is in the fact that Turkey is trying to display
its sympathy towards the Palestinian people, as though the Palestinian
problem and liberation struggle have appeared in the international
arena recently. However, the international community knows certainly
that Turkey has had strategic relations with Israel for 60 years,
thus stabbing in the back of the Arab world," the editorial says.

It also noted that Ankara conceals other goals, accusing Israel.

Specifically, if Israel keeps Gaza in a blockade, Turkey has been
blockading Armenia for over 15 years. "If Israel violates the rights of
the Palestinian people, Turkey has article 201 of the Criminal Code,
which threatens such people, as writer Orhan Pamuk and historian
Taner Akcam," the article reads.

The paper's editor concludes that Turkey, which has been denying its
history and trying to mislead the international community, will not
be able to avoid the Armenian Genocide recognition and compensation
of the Armenian people's losses, like Israel will reimburse the
Palestinian people's damage one day.

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 02:33 PM

EDWARD ABRAHAMYAN SAYS LATEST TURKISH-ISRAELI DEVELOPMENTS JUST IMITATION OF BAD RELATIONS

ARMENPRESS
JUNE 3, 2010
YEREVAN

The latest developments in the Turkish-Israeli relations are directed
to the rise in the role of Turkey in the region, especially among
Muslim countries. Leader of the National New Conservative Movement
Edward Abrahamyan said at a press conference today that Turkey and
Israel seem to have problems with each other; however this does not
correspond to the reality. According to Edward Abrahamyan, there is
just one goal- separating the protesting sector of Palestine from
Iran and lead it to Turkey. It is controlled by Israel.

'I think everything was planned between the two states even before
2007 and the latest developments in their relations are just an
imitation of bad relations. It is the second time these two states
have confrontation with each other,' Edward Abrahamyan said. He also
explained that Turkey was the only state to undertake some steps
against Israel when the Palestine-Israeli relations were strained.

Turkey did so in order to raise its role in the Middle East. Yet the
protesting Muslims did not believe in Turkey, and so the slaughter
began.

'Both Turkey and Israel are parts of the same common system and though
the authorities of the two sides make statements on straining the
relations, they not have any issues with each other. All these steps
are intended to make the position of Iran weaker in the Muslim world,'
he added.

Deputy Director of the Caucasian Institute Sergey Minasyan says
the strained relations between Turkey and Israel will have grave
consequences in the region. These are the next attempts of Turkey's
leading party and are connected with Turkey's desire to play the key
role in the Middle East. He added that the dynamics of the tension
of the relations will be clear with the course of time.

Sergey Minasyan says there are really anti-Semitic moods in the
Turkish society; the steps of the state somehow depend on those moods.

He added that there are some possibilities of a war, but not much more.

In such a strained situation, Sergey Minasyan says, it is less
possible the Armenian Genocide will b recognized by Israel in the near
future. The issue, he added, is a 'golden bullet' against Turkey,
which is not intended to be used yet. 'Besides, there is a complex
in Israel; people there think only Holocaust must be recognized in
the world as genocide. This is an expression of egoism,' he said.

According to Edward Abrahamyan, the issue of the Armenian Genocide
recognition will be used in the meetings, gatherings, but Israel does
not intend to recognize it yet.

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 02:44 PM

MOURADIAN: POST-FLOTTILA TIES BETWEEN TURKEY AND ISRAEL: IRREPARABLE DAMAGE OR JUST A HICCUP?
Khatchig Mouradian

Armenian Weekly
Thu, Jun 3 2010

BEIRUT, Lebanon-I have been following with horror the news and
discussion on the Israeli attack on the flotilla of ships carrying aid
to Gaza. The outrage here in Lebanon and the Arab world is palpable.

What is even more evident is the pride with which people here speak
about Turkey's "heroic stand" in the face of Israel.

Erdogan: International law has been trampled underfoot On May 31,
the Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs issued a statement in which
it protested "in the strongest terms the use of force by the Israeli
Defense Forces against the civilians from many countries who want to
transport humanitarian assistance to the people in Gaza."

The Turkish Foreign Ministry wrote that "Israel has once again
clearly demonstrated that it does not value human lives and peaceful
initiatives through targeting innocent civilians...such actions
against civilians who are involved only in peaceful activities
cannot be accepted. Israel will have to bear the consequences of
these actions which constitute a violation of international law."

In turn, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said, "It should
be known that we will not stay silent and unresponsive in the face
of this inhuman state terror," according to Hurriyet Daily News.

"International law has been trampled underfoot," Erdogan added.

Irony alert?

Of course, few Arab commentators said anything about the irony in
the statements above, and the many similar statements coming out of
Turkey today. That is not surprising. After all, Turkey-a strategic
ally of Israel-has, in recent years, reached out to the Islamic world
and presented itself as a defender of the Palestinian cause. Why rock
the boat?

Some intellectuals, however, highlighted the hypocrisy of the Turkish
state and of most Turkish commentators. On one online discussion
board, Stergios Kaprinis, a psychiatrist from Greece, wrote: "There
is no doubt that the events are tragic. The Freedom Flotilla attack by
Israeli commandos can only be described as an act of piracy. However,
I have been following the reactions of the Turkish government and I
must say that I am appalled at their hypocrisy. In the past 15 years,
the Turkish government has ethnically cleansed large parts of Turkey's
ethnically Kurdish southeast, has invaded Iraq more than a few times,
and keeps occupying and colonizing the northern half of the Republic of
Cyprus, a sovereign country, member of the UN and the EU. Yet today,
the Turkish government has somehow managed to proclaim itself the
defender of international law and protector of the oppressed. I am
appalled at such hypocrisy, at the expense of the Palestinians..."

In an article published in the Huffington Post, Israeli writer Dana
Agmon, noted: "And finally, a word to the sponsors-Turkey-did anyone
float into Turkey when it murdered over a million Armenians? Or did
anyone do it when you arrested hundreds of Kurds, including children,
merely four years ago and violated their rights? Or maybe when you
invaded Cyprus?"

An intellectual from Turkey told me that had the Kurds in Turkey had
access to sea, "God knows what kind of horrors would befall on those
who tried to support them." Another noted how the discourse on the
Palestinians in Turkey on one hand, and the Armenians and Kurds on the
other, are so disparate, even among progressive Turkish intellectuals,
that "the double standards sicken me to my stomach. States are,
by definition, hypocritical. But when intellectuals who present
themselves as the beacons of enlightened thought engage in such
hypocrisy, is there any hope left?"

Irreparable damage?

On June 3, Turkish President Abdullah Gul said, "From now on,
Turkish-Israeli ties will never be the same. This incident has left
an irreparable and deep scar."

The myth of "irreparable relations" seems to be floating around
the entire Islamic world since the attack on the flotilla. Arab
news sources and analysts in the Middle East continue to insist that
Turkish-Israeli relations have been damaged beyond repair. Regardless
of what Turkish officials declare in their public statements, this
is naivete and wishful thinking at best.

What the Arab world fails to see is that the Turkish state cannot
and will not bury its strategic relations with Israel because of the
flotilla attack or in solidarity with the Palestinian people. Ankara
is playing an ambitious political game in the Middle East. Yes,
its tactical maneuvers are already reaching beyond the bounds of its
strategic capabilities (and it might soon be forced to fold back),
but to view the Turkish state-or even the current government-as the
extension of the Turkish street is self-deception.

Turkey and Israel will soon repair the damage done to their relations.

There's no two ways about it.

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 03:20 PM

Hypocrasy has no limits, almost every article talks about the Armenians since the souring of the relationship.
AN OPEN LETTER TO TURKEY
Contributed by Sultan Knish (Reporter)
Sincerely Yours
A Descendant of a Subject of the Ottoman Empire

Yes indeed hypocrisy has no limits , neither does it have “borders”.
Yes Yervant, Where’s the Beef?

See what the dictionary says about “hypocrisy”

Main Entry: hy·poc·ri·sy 
Pronunciation: \hi-ˈpä-krə-sē also hī-\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural hy·poc·ri·sies
Etymology: Middle English ypocrisie, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrisis, from Greek hypokrisis act of playing a part on the stage, hypocrisy, from hypokrinesthai to answer, act on the stage, from hypo- + krinein to decide — more at certain
Date: 13th century
1 : a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion
2 : an act or instance

If I were to interpret it I would break it down to “hypo=below” and “crisy=credulity/belief”, i.e “beyond/below belief’= LIE”.
Let me ask one more time. We have seen all those pork chops, shish kebabs**, bsturma and pastrami, but.
“Where’s the Beef”!!!???
** Speaking of twists and turns. This is hilarious. :P :D See who is attending to the "shawurma". Is that pork meat one wonders. :P
http://www.telaviv4f...es/shawarma.JPG

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 09:15 AM

Student Operated Press
June 5 2010


Erdogan & comparison of Flotilla to September 11th.


Maze cartoon of Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan comparing the Flotilla
raid to September 11th. Someone from the crowd asks how it would
"stack up against the Armenian Genocide." Created by Yonatan Frimer

See cartoon at
http://thesop.org/st...an-genocide.php

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 09:27 AM

:jerry: :jerry: :jerry: :jerry:

Erdogan threatens to join next Gaza flotilla

June 5, 2010 - 14:54 AMT 09:54 GMT
PanARMENIAN.Net -


Turkish security sources quoted Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan as
preparing to go beyond abusive rhetoric against Israel and considering
using his navy to break Israel's siege of Gaza- or even sailing aboard
the next flotilla to break the blockade in person on the assumption
that Israel would not dare stop him, Debka reported.

The Obama administration is in contact with the Turkish PM and trying
to cool him down.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 09:30 AM

This is (not) funny. Remember, Helen Thomas is of Christian Lebanese ancestry just like Danny Thomas. :) She is 90 years old and still KICKING. Seems like she will exit "KICK the bucket" with a BIG BANG!! :)
Her bio;
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Helen_Thomas

Edited by Arpa, 06 June 2010 - 09:48 AM.


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Posted 07 June 2010 - 02:15 AM

:jerry: :jerry: :jerry: :jerry:

Erdogan threatens to join next Gaza flotilla

June 5, 2010 - 14:54 AMT 09:54 GMT
PanARMENIAN.Net -


Turkish security sources quoted Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan as
preparing to go beyond abusive rhetoric against Israel and considering
using his navy to break Israel's siege of Gaza- or even sailing aboard
the next flotilla to break the blockade in person on the assumption
that Israel would not dare stop him, Debka reported.

The Obama administration is in contact with the Turkish PM and trying
to cool him down.




to asa hipokrat shan lakot, te mardasirutyun@ yev mardu iravunqn qez hamar arajnakarg uremn qo harevannerin blokad mi ara...

jisht jamanakna ashxarqov mer vorqan news sit ka ir & ir yerkri irakan demq@ tsuyts talu

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Posted 07 June 2010 - 08:16 AM

to asa hipokrat shan lakot, te mardasirutyun@ yev mardu iravunqn qez hamar arajnakarg uremn qo harevannerin blokad mi ara...

jisht jamanakna ashxarqov mer vorqan news sit ka ir & ir yerkri irakan demq@ tsuyts talu

Այո Մօս, հիմա ժամանակն է, երկաթը տաք է խփիր!!!
This is the time. The iron is hot hit it!!
A marriage made in hell will end up in an even hotter hell!!!
They both have American made WMD (weapons of of mass destruction), let’s see them. “And the rockets’ red glare, The bombs bursting in air…”

ՈՐՆ Է ԱՒԵԼԻ ՄԵԾ ՍՈՒՏԱԲԱՆԸ? ՇՈՒՆՇԱՆՈՐԴԻՆԵՐ!!
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Israelis to protest Turkey in Cyprus
A group of Israelis will travel by ship to Cyprus to protest what they
call the Turkish occupation of the island and call for the
reunification of Cyprus under Greek Cypriot rule, an Israeli news
report has said.
07 June 2010, Monday
TODAY'S ZAMAN Ä°STANBUL
The group, which includes former deputy Alex Goldfarb and 63-year-old
Israeli activist Pinhas Har-Zahav, made the announcement on Thursday.
They are expected to travel to Cyprus this week, The Jerusalem Post
reported.
The trip is considered to be in retaliation to the recent flow of aid
ships to Gaza to break a long-standing joint Israeli-Egyptian
blockade. An Israeli takeover of the Turkish aid ship the Mavi Marmara
on May 31 resulted in the killing of nine activists, eight Turks and
one Turkish-American. An unnamed wealthy Israeli donor is subsidizing
the initiative.
Israeli right-wing politicians are criticizing the government for
releasing the Turkish activists under pressure from Turkey, claiming
that there is evidence showing they had attacked the Israeli commandos
boarding the ship. `It is our counter-visit to Turks in response to
their so-called humanitarian mission. They are responsible for the
Armenian Genocide** and still hold Kurds in occupation,' Har-Zahav was quoted as saying on Armenian news sites. `It is time to bring into
Light Turkey's hypocrisy,' he added.

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How about “hrya hypocrisy”?
** Եւ հիմա այդ շուները նոր բառեր են սովորել Միթէ երբ ”flotilla” պիտի ուղարկեն Անի եւ Արարատ blockade and occupation?
ՍՏԱԽՕՍ ՇՈՒՆԵՐ!! ՇՈՒՆԸ ՇՆԻՑ, ԵՐԿՈՒՍՆ ԷԼ ՄԻ ՏՆԻՑ

Edited by Arpa, 07 June 2010 - 08:20 AM.


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Posted 07 June 2010 - 01:11 PM

This is (not) funny. Remember, Helen Thomas is of Christian Lebanese ancestry just like Danny Thomas. :) She is 90 years old and still KICKING. Seems like she will exit "KICK the bucket" with a BIG BANG!! :)
Her bio;
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Helen_Thomas

In a kingdom of the blind the one eyed is king, or as in the Gulliver’s Travels, in the Lilliputian Kingdom of the blind the sighted is deemed a heretic and condemned to blindness or death. Կոյրերու աշխահում միականանին թագաւոր է, Կամ հերետիկոս?**
Whether she retires, resigns or is fired, she is still the “one eyed among the blind”. No Matter, what she said will reverberate for a long time, perhaps even it will be incorporated in that “book” as “The Gospel According to Helen”.
**Յիշիր որ Աճառեանը եւ Թէքէյանը միականի էին, եւ տես թէ որքան սովորեցրին մեզ երկականիներին:
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http://news.yahoo.co..._israel_remarks

Helen Thomas retires in flap over Israel remarks
WASHINGTON – Longtime Washington journalist Helen Thomas abruptly retired Monday as a columnist for Hearst News Service following remarks she made about Israel that were denounced by the White House and her press corps colleagues.
The 89-year-old Thomas, dean of the White House press corps, has long been a fixture in Washington and has been lauded as a pioneering journalist who has covered presidents since 1960.
Known for her confrontational questioning, Thomas apologized for comments that were captured on video and have spread widely on the Internet. On the May 27 video, Thomas says Israelis should "get the hell out of Palestine," suggesting they go to Germany, Poland or the U.S.
Hearst announced her retirement, effective immediately, shortly after White House press secretary Robert Gibbs called her remarks "offensive and reprehensible."
The White House Correspondents Association also issued a rare statement, calling her comments "indefensible."
"Many in our profession who have known Helen for years were saddened by the comments, which were especially unfortunate in light of her role as a trail blazer on the White House beat," said the statement, signed by journalists who are officers of the association.
Thomas had been scheduled to speak at the June 14 graduation of Walt Whitman High School in the Washington suburb of Bethesda, Md., but Principal Alan Goodwin wrote in a Sunday e-mail to students and parents that she was being replaced.
"Graduation celebrations are not the venue for divisiveness," Goodwin wrote.
Thomas wrote on her website that "I deeply regret my comments I made last week regarding the Israelis and the Palestinians."
She added: "They do not reflect my heart-felt belief that peace will come to the Middle East only when all parties recognize the need for mutual respect and tolerance. May that day come soon."
The national director of the Anti-Defamation League, Abraham H. Foxman, said Sunday that Thomas' apology didn't go far enough.
"Her suggestion that Israelis should go back to Poland and Germany is bigoted and shows a profound ignorance of history," Foxman said in a statement. "We believe Thomas needs to make a more forceful and sincere apology for the pain her remarks have caused."
Thomas began her long career with the wire service United Press International in 1943, and started covering the White House in 1960, according to a biography posted on her website. She became a columnist for Hearst in 2000


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Posted 10 June 2010 - 09:41 AM

No comment on my part!!!!!!!!!

Firedoglake
June 9 2010


I Denied A Genocide For You People!


By: Spencer Ackerman Wednesday June 9, 2010 8:00 am Tweet61 Share

Must read of the day: Eli Lake's beast of a piece about how the
establishment American Jewish organizations have abandoned their
longstanding sub-rosa efforts lobbying on behalf of the former Israeli
quasi-ally now that the Turkish government has broken with Israel over
Gaza.

On the one hand, the Shtetl Elders are throwing `Islamist' at the AK
Party sloppily - Erdogan is a billion light years away from bin Laden,
another demonstration that the term `Islamist' conceals more than it
illuminates - though I suppose no one should be surprised that the
Shtetl leadership is not going to reflect on whether something might
be wrong with Israeli policy if it's alienating its decades-long
friend in the Muslim world. So much more convenient to blame Erdogan.
On the other, Turkey can't reasonably expect the support of the Shtetl
leadership if it's not going to do what the Shtetl leadership wants.
Now's a great time for someone in Congress to propose a resolution
commemorating the Armenian Genocide.

And speaking of. It's time to settle a score.

Five or six years ago I was at a rager at Eli's old place in
Adams-Morgan. Eli's parties attract a certain crowd: journalists,
flacks, keepers of the eternal Bushian flame, the occasional Chalabi
aide, Jews, people who enjoy soft rock and softer drugs, more Jews. I
always have a good time. On this particular occasion, I found myself
packed near the fridge in a conversation with a fellow Jew - a PR guy
who seemed cool - while we sipped some beers. He mentioned that his
firm did some work for the Turks. Ah, the Turks, I said, drunk, very
cool, very cool. With typical tact, I allowed that there was that one
shame, that whole Armenian Genocide.

`Well,' he said, `if you look at the historical record, it's not
entirely so clear-cut what happened.'

What? I had read Samantha Power's first book. I knew about Henry
Morgenthau and Robert (`silence on the part of our Government is
perilous and that for our Government to make no public protest against
a crime of such magnitude by a Government on noncombatants, the great
majority of them women and children, is to miss an unusual opportunity
to serve humanity¦') Lansing. I knew that there's drunk and there's
extremely-drunk, but there isn't genocide-denying-drunk.

Seriously, man? I said. You're a Jew. How can you say the Armenian
Genocide never happened?

Apparently I had walked into the sort of rhetorical trap that a Jewish
PR flack for the uglier side of Turkish interests will spring. `You
can't even compare what we went through to what happened with the
Armenians!' he yelled - well, not yelled, since he kept his cool, with
the kind of condescending demeanor possessed by a guy who knows he
successfully baited an interlocutor, but, uh, stated forcefully.

So I wish I had the contact information for that guy. Since I don't,
this will have to do. Hey, fella: how's it feel to deny a genocide on
behalf of the dudes who let the Mavi Marmara sail forth?

http://attackerman.f...for-you-people/

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 09:42 AM

TPMCafé
June 9 2010


Israel's Ambassador: After Flotilla, It's No More Mister Nice Guy And
Israel Switches on Armenian Genocide

By M.J. Rosenberg - June 9, 2010, 7:50AM


In an interview published today, Israel's ambassador, Michael Oren,
warns that Israel will not continue behaving with restraint if it
keeps getting criticized.

"Our critics don't get it," Oren said. "In Jenin, we went
house-to-house and sent 23 soldiers to their death. But if we're going
to be called war criminals no matter what we do, then maybe that
changes our thinking."
Uh, ok. Whole interview is here. Plenty of other telling nuggets too.

Also, see Spencer Ackerman here. It turns out that the Israel lobby,
and Israel, has long supported the government of Turkey in its denial
of the Armenian genocide. This was rather amazing considering that
Hitler himself cited the Armenian genocide as a precedent for the
Holocaust.

But Israel and its lobby supported Turkey because Turkey was
pro-Israel. End of story. But now that the Israelis (and their lobby)
hate the Turks, they are changing their position on the Armenian
holocaust. It was a genocide after all.

Count on AIPAC to get the Armenian genocide bill to be adopted soon.

http://tpmcafe.talki...s_no_more_mist/

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 10:06 AM

Is HELL hot enough for those sons of "kelev"s**. How about Sodom and Gomorrah, with Fire and Brimstone on thze side? And now, after 50 years of denial, they suddenly rediscover the G word. May they all go to G-ehhenah !!!
Who is it now? The Phillistines or the "flotillines"?***
**See the Aramaic/Arabic word "kelb" to mean "shun". Kelb ibn kelb. In the Armenian it is SSO-ShunShanOrdi.
*** A short time ago some suggested that today's Palestinians were in fact the biblical Philistines. It was readily suppressed and ridiculed.
http://webcache.goog...n&ct=clnk&gl=us
Edit. For those who may deem the above be an antisemitic/ant-shem-shittik.. Unlike them, we have our own own HELL, except that OUR HELL is exactly where the GARDEN OF EDEN WAS.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 10:34 AM

it's dipresing !!!. my nations question is a poker chip in hands of others... vay dzer mern & manuk@...

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 10:35 AM

nayeq verjum es amen inchi hamar mez en meghadrelu...

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 11:45 AM

it's dipresing !!!. my nations question is a poker chip in hands of others... vay dzer mern & manuk@...

All these years they were screaming from the top of their lungs, that the acceptance of AG will hurt the US interests. Now all of a sudden it's OK? I guess it was not the US interests in their minds after all. HYPOCRITES :angry:

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 02:31 PM

All these years they were screaming from the top of their lungs, that the acceptance of AG will hurt the US interests. Now all of a sudden it's OK? I guess it was not the US interests in their minds after all. HYPOCRITES :angry:

MAY BOTH OF THEIR BOATILLA/FLOTILLA SINK TO THE BOTTOM OF ATLANTIS!!!
ՇՈՒՆԸ ՇԱՆԻՑ ԵՐԿՈՒՍՆԷԼ ՄԻ ՏԱՆԻՑ

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 09:54 AM

Another “paper tiger” shredded?
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Another “paper ship” sunk?
Kontiki;
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Edit::oops: I forgot to add these two to the armada.
http://www.wildnatur...ing_Picture.htm
http://thebaumer.fil...ark_rainbow.jpg
http://www.jpost.com....aspx?id=177789
More than ten days ago we heard that a “reverse flotilla” was in the forming, and that it would sail and protest at the coasts of furkey. What happened? Another "flotilla was sinkillaed"? Did natan-yahudi torpedo it?
There is an Armenian saying- “Ourishin paranov hor ijnel/Ուրիշին պարանով հոր իջնել”. Lowering at a well with someone else’s rope. What if the rope breaks? Who cares?

Ideas for ‘reverse flotillas’ gain steam
By ABE SELIG
06/08/2010 04:01
Israeli groups mull sailing toward Turkey to "remind the world of Turkish hypocrisy."
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Although most of the recent talk regarding flotillas has revolved around ships sailing toward Gaza, at least two plans have emerged for “reverse flotillas” – from Israel toward Turkey – to highlight what organizers have labeled the Turks’ “shameless hypocrisy” in their criticisms of the Jewish state.
The most ambitious of the two plans has been devised by members of Israel’s National Student Union, who this week announced their intention to set sail toward Turkey, in an effort to bring humanitarian aid to the “oppressed people of Turkish Kurdistan” and to members of the “Turkish Armenian minority.”
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Student Union chairman Boaz Torporovsky, who has been leading the reverse flotilla charge, told The Jerusalem Post on Monday, “Hundreds of people have volunteered for the flotilla, and many more are contacting us all the time for ways they can help.
“Our plan is to deliver much-needed humanitarian assistance to the Kurds of Turkey, who by the way outnumber Israelis and Palestinians combined,” he said.
“And to show that Turkey has its own issues when it comes to the treatment of its minorities, which they should consider before criticizing us.”
Torporovsky added that the National Student Union members had two separate flotilla ideas, both of which they hoped to embark on soon. The first was a flotilla of private yachts that would head out to sea if additional Gaza-bound flotillas entered Israeli waters.
“We would like to greet them at sea,” he said. “And explain to them, peacefully – we don’t want any violence – what it is that’s really going on here.
We’d like to show them the truth and help them understand that the reality here is not what they’ve been told.”
Torporovsky said that many yacht owners had already volunteered for that phase of the plan, and that he and his colleagues were preparing for the arrival of a number of Gaza bound ships, of European or even Iranian origin.
The second phase of the National Student Union members’ flotilla plan would be the more ambitious journey to Turkey, though Torporovsky admitted they were hard-pressed when it came to funding it.
“We need three things to pull this part off,” he said.
“Money, logistical support and balls – and we’ve got the last two things covered.
“But it’s here that we really get into the shameless hypocrisy of the Turks, because while they criticize us day and night, they are oppressing the Kurds and silencing the world when it comes to recognition of the Armenian Genocide.”
Torporovsky said his group had already found a captain for the vessel, a retired Israel Navy sailor, but the ship itself was proving harder to acquire.
“It’s not easy to find a large, sea-bound vessel,” he said.
“But we’re looking, and we’re raising funds, and as soon as we’re able to do it, we will.”
But the reverse-flotilla talk hasn’t stopped there.
Another sea-bound venture is being organized in an effort to draw attention to Turkey’s own controversial policies – this time to Cyprus, to “call for an end to the Turkish occupation” of the island’s northern half – and is being organized by Meretz activist Pinchas Har-Zahav, and his son Haim, who has also signed on for the voyage.
The group is also set to include Alex Goldfarb, who was an MK with the Tzomet and Yiud parties from 1992 to 1996, and is being subsidized by an unnamed wealthy Israeli.
Speaking to the Post on Monday, Haim Har-Zahav said the goal of the voyage was to “remind the world that Turkey is not innocent.
“If Uruguay or Iceland were the ones criticizing us so harshly, it might be a different story,” he said. “But we’re talking about a country that only seven years after [the Six Day War and the beginning of Israeli control of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank] began occupying Cyprus.
“We’re talking about a country that has systematically killed the Kurds and refuses to acknowledge their role in the Armenian Genocide,” he said.
“And so no, we will not accept this. The hypocrisy has to stop here.”
Har-Zahav added that the ship’s passengers were not looking for a violent confrontation and if told to turn back, they would.
“But we feel that it’s important for us to show and remind the world that Turkey is not a righteous country, but a near-rogue state, and that we, the Israeli people, are not suckers.”
Gil Hoffman contributed to this report


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