After Akhtamar, Ani?
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Posted 26 February 2007 - 07:23 PM
QUOTE(irlandahay @ Feb 27 2007, 12:42 AM) 
okay, now I am sure he is a turk.
I swear turks always regurgitate the same things!
EVERY other turk I have challenged and succesfully beaten to the ground, having nothing better to say, just say the same things: your young, you dont know.
i have a better idea
your a turk, YOU dont know!
Here he is;
http://www.armeniano...i...40&lng=eng#
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Posted 26 February 2007 - 07:44 PM
youv got to be kidding me!
that cant be him!
that cant be him!
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Posted 26 February 2007 - 08:05 PM
QUOTE(irlandahay @ Feb 27 2007, 01:44 AM)
youv got to be kidding me!
that cant be him!
Believe you me.
This is him too;
http://www.virtualani.freeserve.co.uk/
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Posted 26 February 2007 - 08:15 PM
He is quite reasonable as well, except that he will not tell us how much Armenian blood there is in his veins. It comes out when he flies the handle when provoked.
Typical Armenian would you say??
Typical Armenian would you say??
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Posted 27 February 2007 - 04:09 PM
QUOTE(Arpa @ Feb 26 2007, 09:15 PM)
He is quite reasonable as well, except that he will not tell us how much Armenian blood there is in his veins. It comes out when he flies the handle when provoked.
Typical Armenian would you say??
woa.
but is he armenian at all? or hes just an odar. and if he is odar, what is he?
cheers
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Posted 27 February 2007 - 04:36 PM
QUOTE(Arpa @ Feb 26 2007, 08:23 PM)
I read that article. this steve sim seems like a smart and nice guy.
neko cant possibly be him
OKAY can someone please enlighten me?!
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Posted 07 March 2007 - 09:16 AM
Before World War I there were scores of Armenian churches within 20 km of Akhtamar
“Over the past two years, Turkish authorities made much of the restoration of a 10th century Armenian Church on Akhtamar island in Lake Van. Until recently, it was not clear whether this restoration project was a peaceful gesture to Armenians, or a crude gloss over the reality of the Armenian Genocide and the destruction of Armenian cultural properties in modern Turkey,” says the statement issued by Komitas Institute, London, UK.
“The head of the Turkish Historical Society, Yusuf Halaçoğlu, commented on the opening of the restored Holy Cross church on Akhtamar Island on April 15th, 2007. We hope his words do not reflect official thinking in Ankara.
According to The New Anatolian, Halaçoğlu stated that "We [Turks] don't have anything to hide... Opening the Agdamar Church will be a gesture to Armenians and the whole world… After the conquering of Anatolia, the Turks didn't damage foreign assets… Nothing was destroyed. In this way, these assets have survived through to today."
Halaçoğlu's words will surely prove to be an embarrassment to Turkey. Should the guests invited to the opening of the church on April 15th decide to look around them, they will see that Akhtamar Island is an exception.
On the eve of World War I, there were scores of medieval Armenian churches within 20 km of Akhtamar Island alone, and practically none of them remain standing today. Most of them have been completely destroyed during the life of the Turkish Republic. Today gravediggers enjoy a free hand looting these localities while Turkish state authorities continue to turn a blind eye to these acts of desecration.
Halacoglu's words only add to Turkey's shame,” the statement says.
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“Over the past two years, Turkish authorities made much of the restoration of a 10th century Armenian Church on Akhtamar island in Lake Van. Until recently, it was not clear whether this restoration project was a peaceful gesture to Armenians, or a crude gloss over the reality of the Armenian Genocide and the destruction of Armenian cultural properties in modern Turkey,” says the statement issued by Komitas Institute, London, UK.
“The head of the Turkish Historical Society, Yusuf Halaçoğlu, commented on the opening of the restored Holy Cross church on Akhtamar Island on April 15th, 2007. We hope his words do not reflect official thinking in Ankara.
According to The New Anatolian, Halaçoğlu stated that "We [Turks] don't have anything to hide... Opening the Agdamar Church will be a gesture to Armenians and the whole world… After the conquering of Anatolia, the Turks didn't damage foreign assets… Nothing was destroyed. In this way, these assets have survived through to today."
Halaçoğlu's words will surely prove to be an embarrassment to Turkey. Should the guests invited to the opening of the church on April 15th decide to look around them, they will see that Akhtamar Island is an exception.
On the eve of World War I, there were scores of medieval Armenian churches within 20 km of Akhtamar Island alone, and practically none of them remain standing today. Most of them have been completely destroyed during the life of the Turkish Republic. Today gravediggers enjoy a free hand looting these localities while Turkish state authorities continue to turn a blind eye to these acts of desecration.
Halacoglu's words only add to Turkey's shame,” the statement says.
PanARMENIAN.Net
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Posted 21 March 2007 - 11:39 AM
No Self-Respecting Armenian Should Accept Turkey's Invitation to Akhtamar
By Harut Sassounian
Publisher, The California Courier
The Turkish government has launched a worldwide campaign to exploit, for propaganda purposes, the renovation of the 10th century Holy Cross Church on Akhtamar Island, in Turkish-occupied Western Armenia. Ankara has sent out invitations for "the inaugural" ceremonies to more than 3,000 guests from around the world, including officials from Armenia and Armenians from the Diaspora.
According to the Turkish Zaman newspaper, the Turkish government's intent is to use the restoration of the church on March 29 as part of its accelerated efforts to counter the adoption of the Armenian Genocide resolution by the U.S. Congress.
Last week, when a Turkish delegation came to Washington to lobby against that resolution, Mehmet Dulger, the Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Commission of the Turkish Parliament, announced that he had brought with him photos of the renovated Akhtamar Church. Dulger said he would show the photo album published by the Ministry of Culture and Tourism to U.S. Congressmen and tell them: "See, the Turks, whom you accuse of genocide, have renovated an Armenian Church with taxes
collected from Turks. And these photos are the evidence." The Turkish government reportedly spent more than $1.5 million for the restoration.
Zaman reported that the album would be distributed worldwide to all organizations advocating "Armenian genocide claims." Furthermore, "the culture ministers of all countries that have adopted or will adopt Armenian genocide bills=80¦ are invited to the opening," Zaman wrote.
To make maximum propaganda use of this opportunity, an official from the Turkish Ministry of Culture even suggested that the long-blockaded Armenian-Turkish border be temporarily opened for guests from Armenia wishing to cross into Turkey. He also spoke about the possibility of a special direct flight from Yerevan to Van on that occasion. However, the Turkish military vetoed both suggestions.
Turkish officials came up with ridiculous explanations when asked why the renovated Holy Cross Church did not have a cross on its dome. Reporters were told that the cross could be the cause of a lightning strike that would burn down the church! Another official ridiculously claimed that he could not find any old photos of the church with a cross on its dome.
Even the date of the planned ceremonies has been subject to much political speculation and a comedy of errors. The Turkish government originally set the date for April 24. But after complaints from the Armenian Patriarch, the date was changed to April 11. When Turkish officials learned that April 11 was in fact the same date as April 24 in the old calendar, they changed it yet again to March 29, hoping that they would thus be able to pre-empt the negative impact on Turkey of the worldwide ommemorations of the Armenian Genocide held in April of each year.
Once the final date was set, the Turkish Foreign Ministry immediately instructed its ambassadors and consul generals around the world to extend invitations to Armenians and non-Armenians alike to attend the ceremonies on March 29. Invitations were received by scores of Armenians whose addresses had been provided to local Turkish consulates by a couple of Armenian individuals who do the Turkish government's bidding apparently for personal gain.
The invitations offend the invitees by describing the Holy Cross Church as the "the Monumental Museum of Akdamar [sic] Church." Even more offensive is the two-page enclosure which states that the carvings of the church walls "show an influence of 9th and 10th century Abbasi art, which was itself influenced by Central Asian Turkish Art."
The invitation indicates that the guests are expected to arrive in Ankara on March 28 and leave for Akhtamar in the early morning of March 29, flying from Ankara to Van by private plane. After the conclusion of the opening ceremony -- which may be attended by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan or Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul -- the invitees will be given lunch, taken on a tour of the city of Van, including the historic castle and then depart to Ankara later that afternoon. After asking them to fly to Turkey, in some cases from halfway around the world, the guests are expected to be on Akhtamar Island not more than an hour and a half which would include the opening ceremony and a recital by a Turkish pianist.
While it is obvious that the Turkish government is only interested in the propaganda value of this ancient Armenian Church, it is much less clear whyany Armenian would want to be a part of its unholy ploy. Why would any self-respecting Armenian, whether from Armenia or the Diaspora, allow himself or herself to be used by Turkish authorities for anti-Armenian purposes, specifically in Turkey's efforts to counter the recognition of the Armenian Genocide?
Armenians should boycott and denounce this cynical Turkish ploy. If Turkish officials are truly interested in restoring the Holy Cross Church, here are the steps they must take:
1) Designate it as a church, not museum, and open it for Christian worship.
2) Place it under the jurisdiction of the Armenian Patriarchate of Constantinople, not the Turkish Ministry of Culture and Tourism.
3) Place a cross on its dome.
4) Remove all false references to a non-existent Turkish influence on the architecture of the Holy Cross Church.
World public opinion should be told that Turkey deserves very little credit for renovating this Armenian church. There were thousands of Armenian churches and monuments before the genocide of 1915 throughout today's Turkey. Most of them were confiscated and converted to non-religious use, abandoned to the ravages of time or outright demolished by Turkish officials. To deserve any credit, Turkey should restore these churches and monuments and return them to the Armenian Patriarchate.
Until the Turkish authorities implement the above four stops, no self-respecting Armenian should in any way assist or support Ankara's use of the renovation of an Armenian church for Turkish propaganda purposes.
By Harut Sassounian
Publisher, The California Courier
The Turkish government has launched a worldwide campaign to exploit, for propaganda purposes, the renovation of the 10th century Holy Cross Church on Akhtamar Island, in Turkish-occupied Western Armenia. Ankara has sent out invitations for "the inaugural" ceremonies to more than 3,000 guests from around the world, including officials from Armenia and Armenians from the Diaspora.
According to the Turkish Zaman newspaper, the Turkish government's intent is to use the restoration of the church on March 29 as part of its accelerated efforts to counter the adoption of the Armenian Genocide resolution by the U.S. Congress.
Last week, when a Turkish delegation came to Washington to lobby against that resolution, Mehmet Dulger, the Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Commission of the Turkish Parliament, announced that he had brought with him photos of the renovated Akhtamar Church. Dulger said he would show the photo album published by the Ministry of Culture and Tourism to U.S. Congressmen and tell them: "See, the Turks, whom you accuse of genocide, have renovated an Armenian Church with taxes
collected from Turks. And these photos are the evidence." The Turkish government reportedly spent more than $1.5 million for the restoration.
Zaman reported that the album would be distributed worldwide to all organizations advocating "Armenian genocide claims." Furthermore, "the culture ministers of all countries that have adopted or will adopt Armenian genocide bills=80¦ are invited to the opening," Zaman wrote.
To make maximum propaganda use of this opportunity, an official from the Turkish Ministry of Culture even suggested that the long-blockaded Armenian-Turkish border be temporarily opened for guests from Armenia wishing to cross into Turkey. He also spoke about the possibility of a special direct flight from Yerevan to Van on that occasion. However, the Turkish military vetoed both suggestions.
Turkish officials came up with ridiculous explanations when asked why the renovated Holy Cross Church did not have a cross on its dome. Reporters were told that the cross could be the cause of a lightning strike that would burn down the church! Another official ridiculously claimed that he could not find any old photos of the church with a cross on its dome.
Even the date of the planned ceremonies has been subject to much political speculation and a comedy of errors. The Turkish government originally set the date for April 24. But after complaints from the Armenian Patriarch, the date was changed to April 11. When Turkish officials learned that April 11 was in fact the same date as April 24 in the old calendar, they changed it yet again to March 29, hoping that they would thus be able to pre-empt the negative impact on Turkey of the worldwide ommemorations of the Armenian Genocide held in April of each year.
Once the final date was set, the Turkish Foreign Ministry immediately instructed its ambassadors and consul generals around the world to extend invitations to Armenians and non-Armenians alike to attend the ceremonies on March 29. Invitations were received by scores of Armenians whose addresses had been provided to local Turkish consulates by a couple of Armenian individuals who do the Turkish government's bidding apparently for personal gain.
The invitations offend the invitees by describing the Holy Cross Church as the "the Monumental Museum of Akdamar [sic] Church." Even more offensive is the two-page enclosure which states that the carvings of the church walls "show an influence of 9th and 10th century Abbasi art, which was itself influenced by Central Asian Turkish Art."
The invitation indicates that the guests are expected to arrive in Ankara on March 28 and leave for Akhtamar in the early morning of March 29, flying from Ankara to Van by private plane. After the conclusion of the opening ceremony -- which may be attended by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan or Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul -- the invitees will be given lunch, taken on a tour of the city of Van, including the historic castle and then depart to Ankara later that afternoon. After asking them to fly to Turkey, in some cases from halfway around the world, the guests are expected to be on Akhtamar Island not more than an hour and a half which would include the opening ceremony and a recital by a Turkish pianist.
While it is obvious that the Turkish government is only interested in the propaganda value of this ancient Armenian Church, it is much less clear whyany Armenian would want to be a part of its unholy ploy. Why would any self-respecting Armenian, whether from Armenia or the Diaspora, allow himself or herself to be used by Turkish authorities for anti-Armenian purposes, specifically in Turkey's efforts to counter the recognition of the Armenian Genocide?
Armenians should boycott and denounce this cynical Turkish ploy. If Turkish officials are truly interested in restoring the Holy Cross Church, here are the steps they must take:
1) Designate it as a church, not museum, and open it for Christian worship.
2) Place it under the jurisdiction of the Armenian Patriarchate of Constantinople, not the Turkish Ministry of Culture and Tourism.
3) Place a cross on its dome.
4) Remove all false references to a non-existent Turkish influence on the architecture of the Holy Cross Church.
World public opinion should be told that Turkey deserves very little credit for renovating this Armenian church. There were thousands of Armenian churches and monuments before the genocide of 1915 throughout today's Turkey. Most of them were confiscated and converted to non-religious use, abandoned to the ravages of time or outright demolished by Turkish officials. To deserve any credit, Turkey should restore these churches and monuments and return them to the Armenian Patriarchate.
Until the Turkish authorities implement the above four stops, no self-respecting Armenian should in any way assist or support Ankara's use of the renovation of an Armenian church for Turkish propaganda purposes.
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Posted 21 March 2007 - 02:00 PM
Harut Sassounian is a vile little hippocrite.
That piece of trash has been spreading propaganda about Aghtamar for about a decade - speading lies that the church was about to collapse from neglect, lies that it was being used for target practice, and so on.
That piece of trash was the person primarily responsible for setting up the situation where the church could be used by Turkey for a "show restoration", a "restoration" that in fact inflicted much damage on the historic structure. (Not that you will find many Armenians actually daring to criticise the unsound "restoration" - because it is, in its ideological concept and in its execution, identical to "restorations" that have been inflicted on numerous monuments in Armenia).
Sassounian doesn't give a *** about Aghtamar - he just uses it as another excuse to go on a bout of mindless Turk-bashing.
That piece of trash has been spreading propaganda about Aghtamar for about a decade - speading lies that the church was about to collapse from neglect, lies that it was being used for target practice, and so on.
That piece of trash was the person primarily responsible for setting up the situation where the church could be used by Turkey for a "show restoration", a "restoration" that in fact inflicted much damage on the historic structure. (Not that you will find many Armenians actually daring to criticise the unsound "restoration" - because it is, in its ideological concept and in its execution, identical to "restorations" that have been inflicted on numerous monuments in Armenia).
Sassounian doesn't give a *** about Aghtamar - he just uses it as another excuse to go on a bout of mindless Turk-bashing.
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Posted 24 March 2007 - 02:44 PM
QUOTE(neko @ Mar 21 2007, 01:00 PM)
Harut Sassounian is a vile little hippocrite.
Congratulations, Harut
The Catholicos of All Armenians awarded Harut Sassounian the Saint Sahag-Saint Mesrob Medal this week. It is a well-deserved honor for our fellow newspaperman, the publisher of the California Courier. In his weekly column in the Courier, which is also carried by several other Armenian news outlets, he has for many years kept a close eye on developments in the Armenian diaspora, in Armenia, in Karabakh and in the world at large. He has been meticulous in digging up facts and creative in the leadership he has provided. He has thus become one of the most widely read and respected voices in the worldwide Armenian community.
As he reminisces in an interview this week (see page B8), he was creative, persuasive, and intrepid enough to find a way to give Armenians a voice in the United Nations for years before Armenia became independent in 1991. Since the 1988 earthquake and through this day, he has provided effective management at the Lincy Foundation on behalf of Kirk Kerkorian, and at the United Armenian Fund on behalf of practically the entire Armenian diaspora. Here's a man who well deserves the kudos he is now receiving. Congratulations.
From the Armenian Reporter
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Harut is one of my heros. His brother went about things the wrong way, but he is doing it the right way.
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So many churches within Turkey have either collapsed or are in a state of disrepair. The Armenian church for which my great-grandfather financed a total renovation is in a total state of disrepair.
Why are you blaming Harut for the botch job? Turkish architects are not skilled in this specialty. Neither are Armenian architects. Any decent restoration is done (in competence order by the French, British or American) architects. I hope that the ROA will not botch our heritage either
Harut Sassounian is a vile little hippocrite.
That piece of trash has been spreading propaganda about Aghtamar for about a decade - speading lies that the church was about to collapse from neglect, lies that it was being used for target practice, and so on.
That piece of trash was the person primarily responsible for setting up the situation where the church could be used by Turkey for a "show restoration", a "restoration" that in fact inflicted much damage on the historic structure. (Not that you will find many Armenians actually daring to criticise the unsound "restoration" - because it is, in its ideological concept and in its execution, identical to "restorations" that have been inflicted on numerous monuments in Armenia).
Sassounian doesn't give a *** about Aghtamar - he just uses it as another excuse to go on a bout of mindless Turk-bashing.
Why are you blaming Harut for the botch job? Turkish architects are not skilled in this specialty. Neither are Armenian architects. Any decent restoration is done (in competence order by the French, British or American) architects. I hope that the ROA will not botch our heritage either
QUOTE(neko @ Mar 21 2007, 02:00 PM)
Harut Sassounian is a vile little hippocrite.
That piece of trash has been spreading propaganda about Aghtamar for about a decade - speading lies that the church was about to collapse from neglect, lies that it was being used for target practice, and so on.
That piece of trash was the person primarily responsible for setting up the situation where the church could be used by Turkey for a "show restoration", a "restoration" that in fact inflicted much damage on the historic structure. (Not that you will find many Armenians actually daring to criticise the unsound "restoration" - because it is, in its ideological concept and in its execution, identical to "restorations" that have been inflicted on numerous monuments in Armenia).
Sassounian doesn't give a *** about Aghtamar - he just uses it as another excuse to go on a bout of mindless Turk-bashing.
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Posted 24 March 2007 - 07:01 PM
QUOTE(phantom22 @ Mar 24 2007, 04:57 PM)
Harut is one of my heros. His brother went about things the wrong way, but he is doing it the right way.
Is there anyone not related to you in anyway?
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I am not related to him, as far as I know. He is a great Armenian patriot. I would enthusiastically support him if he ever ran for political office eithter in the USA or the ROA.
Is there anyone not related to you in anyway?
QUOTE(Domino @ Mar 24 2007, 07:01 PM)
Is there anyone not related to you in anyway?
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Posted 24 March 2007 - 10:05 PM
HISTORIAN DEMOYAN MAKES SUGGESTIONS TO TURKISH GOVERNMENT
Haik Demoyan, director of Genocide Museum, said at Forum Club there are several reasons not to thank the Turkish government for the renovation of St. Cross Church.
“Today’s Turkey is a country that has violated several internaitonal commitments. It has not preserved and even destroyed Varaga Temple, Msho St. Karapet and others,” Demoyan said.
The head of Genocide Museum addressed a question to the Turkish government, “If a beautiful Armenian medieval monument is renovated in Aghtamar, why is Arakelots Church of Kars turning into a mosque?”
Demoyan said the Armenian side may have welcomed the initiative if Turkey had a comprehensive program to recover the Armenian monuments. The historian believes it could even establish friendly relations between the two countries. “The Armenian and Turkish sides could recover the Ani Armenian Bridge renovated by Toros Toromanyan,” Demoyan suggests.
He also suggests that the Turkish side accepts the Armenian citizens and tourists visiting Armenia to Ani with a right of free entry.
Source: Panorama.am
Haik Demoyan, director of Genocide Museum, said at Forum Club there are several reasons not to thank the Turkish government for the renovation of St. Cross Church.
“Today’s Turkey is a country that has violated several internaitonal commitments. It has not preserved and even destroyed Varaga Temple, Msho St. Karapet and others,” Demoyan said.
The head of Genocide Museum addressed a question to the Turkish government, “If a beautiful Armenian medieval monument is renovated in Aghtamar, why is Arakelots Church of Kars turning into a mosque?”
Demoyan said the Armenian side may have welcomed the initiative if Turkey had a comprehensive program to recover the Armenian monuments. The historian believes it could even establish friendly relations between the two countries. “The Armenian and Turkish sides could recover the Ani Armenian Bridge renovated by Toros Toromanyan,” Demoyan suggests.
He also suggests that the Turkish side accepts the Armenian citizens and tourists visiting Armenia to Ani with a right of free entry.
Source: Panorama.am
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Posted 25 March 2007 - 01:10 AM
QUOTE(phantom22 @ Mar 24 2007, 10:02 PM)
Why are you blaming Harut for the botch job? Turkish architects are not skilled in this specialty. Neither are Armenian architects. Any decent restoration is done (in competence order by the French, British or American) architects. I hope that the ROA will not botch our heritage either
Why blaming? For the simple reason that if Sassounian and other small men like him didn't distort facts and resort to any and all below-the-belt tactics to bad-mouth Turkey at all costs, such a "botch job" wouldn't have been provoked in the first place! Sassounian IS candidate for a milestone in history. If it weren't for the likes of him, it is very likely that the idea of restoration of Aghtamar wouldn't have been an issue another half century from today! It is evident that under current circumstances it is going to be a snot-job - he should have known better than to spread lies at the expense of the structure and to his own profit. Well, guess what - he doesn't know any better, and currently no-one should be happier than him.
The a-hole preys on the diaspora's resentment and sentiments of reverse association with Turkey and Turks. Simple as that. What do you expect from an a-hole who writes an article on "What have Turks contributed to the world?" And, yes, he likely will become a politician and get votes from the likes of you - just another charlatan of a politician, nothing more, nothing less. People deserve their politicians.
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Posted 25 March 2007 - 01:24 AM
QUOTE(MosJan @ Mar 25 2007, 04:05 AM)
The head of Genocide Museum addressed a question to the Turkish government, “If a beautiful Armenian medieval monument is renovated in Aghtamar, why is Arakelots Church of Kars turning into a mosque?”
Another small mind at work.
See, this is where Georgians are smarter. They don't beatch and whine about why their churches are being turned into mosques, because it takes observation skills to tell that if a structure continues to be in use, it won't be used as a "quarry" for other structures. It is easy to tell the difference between the states of Iskhan and Oshvank versus that of Hahouli. Such examples exist the world over. It is a reality and one which enables the monument's survival in one way or the other, whether you consider it a crime/sacrilege or not.
Amazing how someone who cannot demonstrate a track of cogitation can blabber so much and get the accolades for it. Geez, that really reminds me of another group of people...
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Harut does not have to stir the pot. I am a student of Turkish architecture who realizes that there are many positive things that have come out of the Turkish Empire and Turkey. Turkey could end all this resentment very quickly if she dropped her resistance and began to treat those of us in the diaspora as human beings.
Why blaming? For the simple reason that if Sassounian and other small men like him didn't distort facts and resort to any and all below-the-belt tactics to bad-mouth Turkey at all costs, such a "botch job" wouldn't have been provoked in the first place! Sassounian IS candidate for a milestone in history. If it weren't for the likes of him, it is very likely that the idea of restoration of Aghtamar wouldn't have been an issue another half century from today! It is evident that under current circumstances it is going to be a snot-job - he should have known better than to spread lies at the expense of the structure and to his own profit. Well, guess what - he doesn't know any better, and currently no-one should be happier than him.
The a-hole preys on the diaspora's resentment and sentiments of reverse association with Turkey and Turks. Simple as that. What do you expect from an a-hole who writes an article on "What have Turks contributed to the world?" And, yes, he likely will become a politician and get votes from the likes of you - just another charlatan of a politician, nothing more, nothing less. People deserve their politicians.
QUOTE(Stormig @ Mar 25 2007, 01:10 AM)
Why blaming? For the simple reason that if Sassounian and other small men like him didn't distort facts and resort to any and all below-the-belt tactics to bad-mouth Turkey at all costs, such a "botch job" wouldn't have been provoked in the first place! Sassounian IS candidate for a milestone in history. If it weren't for the likes of him, it is very likely that the idea of restoration of Aghtamar wouldn't have been an issue another half century from today! It is evident that under current circumstances it is going to be a snot-job - he should have known better than to spread lies at the expense of the structure and to his own profit. Well, guess what - he doesn't know any better, and currently no-one should be happier than him.
The a-hole preys on the diaspora's resentment and sentiments of reverse association with Turkey and Turks. Simple as that. What do you expect from an a-hole who writes an article on "What have Turks contributed to the world?" And, yes, he likely will become a politician and get votes from the likes of you - just another charlatan of a politician, nothing more, nothing less. People deserve their politicians.
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Posted 25 March 2007 - 11:44 AM
QUOTE(phantom22 @ Mar 24 2007, 11:02 PM)
So many churches within Turkey have either collapsed or are in a state of disrepair. The Armenian church for which my great-grandfather financed a total renovation is in a total state of disrepair.
Why are you blaming Harut for the botch job? Turkish architects are not skilled in this specialty. Neither are Armenian architects. Any decent restoration is done (in competence order by the French, British or American) architects. I hope that the ROA will not botch our heritage either
I'm blaming him because for about a decade he has regularly been producing false propaganda about Aghtamar, and said nothing productive. He was not alone in doing it - but he did it more often and more consistantly than anyone else. So the Turks called his bluff - Aghtamar got an awful restoration (because in Turkey it probably couldn't be given anything other than that) - and all Sassounian can do now is whine about the church not having a cross on its roof and not being given to the Istanbul patriarchate (who have never expressed any desire to have it, btw).
Where is the church renovated by your great-grandfather located?
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