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[MosJan]

Հայաստանի առեղծվածները - Մետաքսի մեծ ճանապարհ

 

[hagopn]

I bookmarked this.  Thank you for the great post!

[Arpa]

Was the Silk Road a BOON or DOOM for us?
We have seen reports of how Armenia was not only transit point for the spread to Europe in the West and Asia to the East of the Homo Sapiens from Africa, but also a focus of invasions for the likes of Mongols and furks who saw Armenia as a launching pad on their way to Europe. Not unlike those from the West-Romans, Byzantians, French and English. The South, Persians and Arabs. Is it any different now? From the North, Russians who still consider Armenia a launch pad for a conquest of the rest of the Middle East.
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From Ashkhabad to Artashat?
Plzease note that Ashkhabad is the capital city of TURK-menistan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashgabat **
Askh-a- Bad City of Love?

Poltoratsk between 19191927) is the capital of, and the largest city in, Turkmenistan in Central Asia, situated between the Kara Kum desert and the Kopet Dag mountain range.
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The name in Persian means "city of love" or "city of devotion". Some Turkmen scholars insist that the name goes back to the Parthian era, deriving from the name of the founder of the Parthian Empire, Arsaces I of Parthia, modified by Turkish pronunciation to Ashk-Abad (the city of Ashk).[2]

** See the connection between the so called Armenian ԱՇՈՒՂ ashough/lover and the Arabic Asheq عشق‌
How many families do you know named Ashekian?

Is Turkmen-Istan a next door neighbor of Emen-Istan, Hay-Istan?**
http://en.wikipedia....urkmenistan.svg

** How about we forget all that Stan-Astan/Istan as in Hayastan and rename the country by its original name ԱՐՄԵՆԻԱ/ARMENIA. Hi Armen/ Armenak .
Me silly goof?

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[hagopn]

So many topics you bring up--

 

At the risk of being "controversial," I find it hard to believe that homo sapiens developed in Africa, when there is just as much evidence to say otherwise.  The jury is still out, and I have my bets on our part of the world more than any other.  It is rather amusing to see this sudden few decade old "pro-African" surge politicize, polarize, and distort all sorts of areas of study, something that will no doubt eventually blow over once the "rapper" generation begins to develop osteoporosis, perhaps only to be replaced by some other junk "counter-culture gone mainstream".  So far, we've seen it all, from the altaic trash thinking they produced everything from the Aztec, to the Chinese to the Sumerian civilizations to the afros thinking they built the pyramids while the grass huts are still the mainstay of their "high architecture." 

 

Arabs laid a few mud-brick structures, and now we have to believe in "native African architecture."  One castle in Gondar, and we believe in "Ethiopian medieval architecture."  So where is that second castle?  The churches at Lalibela?  A country that showed no masonry skills as long as I remember, "carved stone churches without foreign help."  So what happened to this "axumite" tradition of masonry?  My guess is that when axum fell, the stone masons and architects left long ago along with other foreign colonies, including the port at Adulis, a "byzantine" (one of many standard ways of avoiding saying Armenian) built port: i.e. the ones at lalibela are unrelated.  I tend to believe something along the lines of Buxton, but, he having been a euro-chauvinist, refuses to take into account that "other older non-Ethiopian presence in Ethiopia whose monks were mummified on the Hayk island on the lake at Dessie."   So who were the architects?  You can fool the average citizen from the Euro-Americas, but you can't fool this Armenian from Ethiopia!  

 

Another "controversial topic" that the marxist bulldogs have been trained to bark at and bite you for: 

 

The silk road as any other major trade route, became a nightmare when the "babylonian model" began trying to dominate it probably starting with Sargon I of Akkad.  I evoke him first because he is the one who first established a full-time "professional" army for this purpose and this purpose alone, and the character of war, no matter what lies so-called historians try to tell, is entirely based on the original root reasons of control of resources (people, land, raw materials, agro yields, WATER, etc), trade routes, monetary commoditization and exchange control.  I call this money based cartel the "spiritual babylonian," one who has mastered the art of the illusion of money controlling all resources, including all human intellectual and physical.  “Money makes the world go round”, which, as absurd as it is to the natural thinker, is totally accepted by the majority of mankind (a term I choose to use, since I truly don’t give a damn about feminists, another fleeting “culture” that will eventually blow over).  Today that control is near total save for a few unaware pockets of human existence.  The marxists congratulate themselves on their supposed exemption, but the FSU's supercapitalism is absolute proof that there is no such thing as true communism, nor can there ever be, especially as long as banking systems exist.  The multiple flavors of socialism, socio-anarchism, anarcho-distributism, and so on, these all still center around the concept of a commoditized currency.  I went through them all at some point in life.

 

The significance of this to our topic?

 

The "spiritual babylonians" at Venice were certainly not the first ones to instigate violence against their competitors by conscripting and dealing with the nomadic vermin.  It’s an old tactic that dates back to Sumer and perhaps beyond.  Despite what the so-called (mostly marxist barking dogs) "skeptics" try to say about "conspiracy theorists" and so on, there is evidence that these mongrels traded in human booty and gold with everyone of these tundra tribes.  The most starkly obvious evidence of this collusion is the very final occupation of Constantinople by the "ottomans" from the Balkan side.  It is a joke to call it an "ottoman" occupation.  Look deeper and see who the intelligence service were provided by, the siege engineers and engines, the naval support, etc.  "ottoman invasion" by foot!   Guess where the "ottoman" term of "giniviz" (cunning) comes from.

 

Even during the Byzantine reign, you see a cooperation between the Khazars (literally "Les espèces de cochons") and Constantinople, at first with reluctance, but then with much voluntary fervor.  Leo "the Khazar" is on record at about the same time frame that the Italian "trading" powers were emerging.  What does this mean?  Human trafficking in exchange for trade guarantees of course.  Has anyone bothered to research it?  Yes. Are they funded by universities?  Hell no!  That would be "conflict of interest."  Then the Armenians took over the Empire under Basil I (supposedly Macedonian who "so happened to be Armenian speaking") after a few previous attempts.  Did the character of the empire change?  **Yes, it did, in some ways for the better,  despite the overall disaster for Armenia herself, which is worth examining more closely than has been done under the Marxists (which is all we have from Armenia proper right now, save for a few interesting newer essays from the late 90s.   Nothing seriously in English, though.  English language “armenology” dealing with anything except the genocide is mostly a pathetic joke).

Most historians are taught to avoid this subject like the plague, as all the funding they get comes from sources that depend on the ignorance of the public about this subject; i.e. that competition trade and resource and commoditization of money are the primary catalysts for war, and that these sort hate nationalism more than any other impediment to their "free trade."   Every major economist and author has hinted at this, but is afraid to say it straight.  The unfortunate part is that history keeps on repeating itself, but the fortunate part is that more and more people are aware of this, hence the colossal political failure in attacking Syria for, really, zionist land grabs and wahhabi (just another "spiritual babylonian" muslim sect) gas trade grabs.  John Kerry, Hovik Kerri, failed and is still flapping his wings to get Syria bombed, but the public awareness of the causes of war is keener than it was, lucky for Assad.  The war has continued in its more modern covert form for the time being.

So, how does that answer you question?  The silk road and all interactions with the world are a double-edged sword, and a strong awareness of the forces at play and total public disclosure of these forces is a must by a truly naturally elected leadership.  That’s so far the missing element that causes for needless social and national issues to exist, when the solution is much more simple: Let people know the truth.  The “spiritual Babylonians” will shrivel and die, and the Silk Road – however semi-symbolic a term it is now - will be what it can be, a true medium of exchange of ideas and goods between civilized people.

 

 

*"Spiritual babylonian" = "Member of a money cartel"

 

**In some ways it might have, or might not have damaged Armenian interests, but that really depends on your point of view.  This dynasty was the main antagonist to the Paulicians and Tondrakians, whose actual characteristics are barely known, only indirectly through their inheritors, the Bogomils and the Cathars, but the result was a continuation of civil war in Armenia, always a detriment to the economy, morale, population and demographics, where we were hurt the most.  Yet, we really don't know what the fight was really about due to lack of unbiased sources.  Manvel Zulalian puts the blame entirely the Byzantines for the destabilization of Armenia in that time frame, and he does bring in some realy convincing arguments, but I still don't know what we were exactly dealing with.  We do know, however, that the pro-Byzantine faction did manage to weaken the country to open the way for the turk vermin eventually.  Dialog might have been a better option, but the Albinesgian continuation of this saga in southern France hints at the militant nature of these movements in Armenia.  It's worth examining very closely.  Was it merely about political control, or was there popular demand for this clamping down?