The A-bomb Saved Lives
#1
Posted 06 August 2005 - 03:37 AM
i just cannot understand, how someone in his right mind could try to justify this
#2
Posted 06 August 2005 - 06:30 AM
He shouldn't wait very long I presume. London and New York are probably next on the list.
Such humanism brings tear to my eyes.
They can't get lower and hypocritical than this.
Another good reason to drop the atom bomb?
#3
Posted 06 August 2005 - 03:57 PM
The use of the bomb was/is/will be delegated to politicians.
Please don't think that if a bomb goes off in London or NY, GOD FORBID, you'll be safe. Your ass is grass too. Expect retaliation, global economic bankruptcy, total choas. The sort of thing Anonymous often talks about. Several authors have sketched scenarios of a chain of events that may occur and none of them are in your favor/interest
You might have wished you were in the blast radius and not see the day after.
#4
Posted 07 August 2005 - 06:19 AM
The outcome of a nuclear explosion is not important at all as long as everyone loses.
Man will ultimately destroy Man.
#5
Posted 07 August 2005 - 08:45 AM
#6
Posted 07 August 2005 - 10:48 AM
However, there is yet another angle to the debate.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki may easily be the most horrible events of the history of mankind, perhaps next to our horrible recent past, yet ever since that time, during the entire duration of the Cold War, when the contestants were (and some still are), in a mad race of one upmanship, as to which could develop an even deadlier device. With all that sabre rattling and bravado, yet none of the "rattlers", not even the maddest of the mad scientists, or the evilest of the "evil empires" dared to see what those devices could accomplish. Was it the fear of pip for pop, tit for tat or was the pictures of Hiroshima and Nagasaki that stopped them short of dropping one of those again?
How did Hiroshima and Nagasaki save lives?
Has one of those "firecrackers" been dropped since?
Maybe some day, hopefully WE will be in a position to play that game of baravado too!
Note. You may ask where would we drop it? A few miles from Yerevan? Then ask yourself where the state of Israel plans to drop them, on Damascus or Beghdad, or even Tehran? How many miles between those capitals and TelAviv? Does radiation recognize and honor state borders?
Edited by Arpa, 07 August 2005 - 11:05 AM.
#7
Posted 07 August 2005 - 06:27 PM
btw even if the author of this article didn't realise his mistake, i just cannot understand how it could get published in the second place. This tells us how civilized the civilized world is
Edited by hytga, 07 August 2005 - 06:30 PM.
#8
Posted 07 August 2005 - 06:42 PM
Soldiers expect that they may die in battle. These were just innocent civilians going about their daily business, just like our martyrs.
#9
Posted 07 August 2005 - 09:08 PM
do you recall how many cities filled with innocent civilians were targeted by russians, germans, brits and anybody else involved in the war.
Name one war where innocent civilians were not targeted?
That's why it's a war, they want take each other out.
Targeting cities filled w/ innocent civilians always happens, the only difference w/ respect to A-bomb is the amount of killed on impact/thereafter(short time).
Conventional oridnance over a period of few years has infact caused more damage than those A-bombs.
Edited by armjan, 07 August 2005 - 09:11 PM.
#11
Posted 07 August 2005 - 09:15 PM
yes, but an A-Bomb not only is way too clumsy that destroys pretty much everything around it, but it also has negative sideeffects. i don't suppose you need me to tell you what these can be.
It's the equalent of mongols that swept through cities massacring the innocent populations just because they were at war. It's the equalent of genocde.
It's not a simple bombing, it's much too clumsy.
#12
Posted 07 August 2005 - 09:18 PM
It's the equalent of mongols that swept through cities massacring the innocent populations just because they were at war. It's the equalent of genocde.
It's not a simple bombing, it's much too clumsy.
hi hytga,
do you agree with this...
"Conventional oridnance over a period of few years has infact caused more damage than those A-bombs."
#13
Posted 07 August 2005 - 09:18 PM
#14
Posted 08 August 2005 - 01:33 AM
I am not sure I know how to justify the use of A/nuclear weapons, but what I was trying to point out is that the only difference between the two is numbers of people killed, and that may be misleading b/c over time, conventional weapons have done far greater damage than A bombs.
the use of A/nuclear weapons must be very carefully planned, executed, and sustained.
There are various sizes of nukes, they don't all come in one size fits all.
Different threats would be resolved using different types of ordinanace.
But no matter how you look at it, it is envoirnmentally unfavorable to release large amounts of radiation.
Edited by armjan, 08 August 2005 - 01:39 AM.
#15
Posted 08 August 2005 - 01:40 AM
But nonetheless it doesn't make them more evel than the A-Bomb.
The A-Bomb is like a bear shewing a head in one bite while the conventional one can be compared with a few chewawa bites. It's just that one has been more or less kept away from humans.
Edited by hytga, 08 August 2005 - 01:46 AM.
#16
Posted 08 August 2005 - 01:45 AM
the use of A/nuclear weapons must be very carefully planned, executed, and sustained.
There are various sizes of nukes, they don't all come in one size fits all.
Different threats would be resolved using different types of ordinanace.
But no matter how you look at it, it is envoirnmentally unfavorable to release large amounts of radiation.
your absolutely right armjan, I totally agree with you, to save those young solders of ours we should of just dropped WMD on Iraq, by now rebuilding would have been much ahead and justified, if fact we should drop few nuked on Iran and Syria as well to avoid casualties, aBush is going to go to war anyways.
#17
Posted 08 August 2005 - 08:48 PM
#18
Posted 08 August 2005 - 09:25 PM
Name one war where innocent civilians were not targeted?
That's why it's a war, they want take each other out.
Targeting cities filled w/ innocent civilians always happens, the only difference w/ respect to A-bomb is the amount of killed on impact/thereafter(short time).
Conventional oridnance over a period of few years has infact caused more damage than those A-bombs.
Entirly agree.
The worst is that in all this, people forget Japanese serious war crimes like the Nanking massacres that hasn't done much lesser victims than the Bomb. The Bomb was a dumb and stupid mistake, they've build it, and later refused to realise that the war was soon to be over without needing to throw a nuclear bomb, but they did it regardless. Wars are full of irresponsable such acts, and it is always populations that loses because of politicians inspirations. The Armenians should be the first to know.
#20
Posted 10 August 2005 - 03:04 AM
The worst is that in all this, people forget Japanese serious war crimes like the Nanking massacres that hasn't done much lesser victims than the Bomb. The Bomb was a dumb and stupid mistake, they've build it, and later refused to realise that the war was soon to be over without needing to throw a nuclear bomb, but they did it regardless. Wars are full of irresponsable such acts, and it is always populations that loses because of politicians inspirations. The Armenians should be the first to know.
Someone, somewhere said to put ourselves in Truman's shoes. It is superfluous to put ourselves in Truman's shoes. Why not put ourselves in Talaat's shoes? He also did what he thought was best for his nation right?
Nowadays the use of an a-bomb would be considered genocide and rightly so. As would the rape of Nanking, firebombing of Dresden and the annihilation of Japanese cities. Wars are fought like that and they still are, let's not kid ourselves. Grozny and Fallujah are a case in point. "Smart" bombs and "precision bombing" have put a sanitized and hallowed face on warfare these days. War has become a perfectly acceptable form of entertainment for American households now.
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