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[Verginne]

Death camps are there to be visited and not "visited" [with quotation marks] ... which means they would be as impartial to finding about the truth as ATAA would be free from disseminating the Turkish official line on the Armenian Genocide issue.

You are trying to compare apples and oranges. This is a totally invalid comparison.

What is clearly nonsensical is to have a mindset that allows the acceptance of one and the rejection of the other. If we agree upon the general idea of having Ahmadinnijad's "experts" or "investigators" go to Poland to "investigate" the Holocaust then we should agree that ATAA has a point in the Massachusetts lawsuit. There must be something "fishy and gives the indication of something to hide" which makes Armenians not to let the other point of view to be taught in schools.

Nonsense, one does not have to do with the other because Armenians always welcome investigation of the facts. On the other hand, that is not true with the jewish adventures of WWII. They don't want people investigating or givng information about their findings. There are three notable individuals jailed presently for doing so.

The issue here is a case of one side trying to discredit the other. If one allows himself to believe that the Turkish government is indeed in the business of discrediting the Armenian side then it’s not far fetched (given the Iranian obsession of Israel) to understand that this government can easily get into the business of discrediting the Jews, which understandably can give Jew-haters something to cheer about. But, at the end of the day, the whole world will regard this as an empty-headed exercise in saber-rattling by a morally bankrupt government who, in the absence of legitimacy, need to look at no one else but to their own president to further discredit themselves.

Down deep even the Jew-haters know that.

The issue here is that refusing the investigation is highly suspicious. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't go off on some lame tangent about "jew haters bla bla bla." That sounds like some lame tired script regurgitation.

[edward demian]

I'm more concerned with what the Iranian leader thinks of the Turks. I think that ultimately, the union of Turkish Islamic government with that of Irans Islamic government, holds far more danger for the Armenians. The Turks are far more successful at getting their ways diplomatically.

Edited by edward demian, 21 February 2006 - 12:12 AM.

[skhara]

Oh for God's sake.

Why do you insist on drawing these illogical parallels? If Turkish officials want to send investigators to Der Zor how extremely idiotic and suspicious it would be to protest. The facts I gather from the Iranians side is that

1. Palestinians are made to pay the price for something the Europeans claim they did.
2. Palestinians are given practically no chance to defend themselves against zionist agression, for the zionist entity receives massive compensatioin for something that the Europeans claim they did.
3. We believe many of the claims are flat out fabrications or at least greatly exagerated.
4. We are not taking the claims made on faith alone and we will investigate.


I recognise the rhetoric bellow. It is ideological so-called "liberal" rhetoric. The not-so-liberal liberal type. I just give it my own label and call it neo-Bolshevism.

Oh -- and just an FYI.

That hitler quote about Armenians is a fake.

CODE

http://www.atmg.org/ArmenianDeception.html

Death camps are there to be visited and not "visited" [with quotation marks] ... which means they would be as impartial to finding about the truth as ATAA would be free from disseminating the Turkish official line on the Armenian Genocide issue.

What is clearly nonsensical is to have a mindset that allows the acceptance of one and the rejection of the other. If we agree upon the general idea of having Ahmadinnijad's "experts" or "investigators" go to Poland to "investigate" the Holocaust then we should agree that ATAA has a point in the Massachusetts lawsuit. There must be something "fishy and gives the indication of something to hide" which makes Armenians not to let the other point of view to be taught in schools.

The whole issue here is a case of one side trying to discredit the other. If one allows himself to believe that the Turkish government is indeed in the business of discrediting the Armenian side then it’s not far fetched (given the Iranian obsession of Israel) to understand that this government can easily get into the business of discrediting the Jews, which understandably can give Jew-haters something to cheer about. But, at the end of the day, the whole world will regard this as an empty-headed exercise in saber-rattling by a morally bankrupt government who, in the absence of legitimacy, need to look at no one else but to their own president to further discredit themselves.

Down deep even the Jew-haters know that.

Edited by vava, 25 February 2006 - 08:06 PM.

[Z'areh]

Oh for God's sake.

Why do you insist on drawing these illogical parallels? If Turkish officials want to send investigators to Der Zor how extremely idiotic and suspicious it would be to protest. The facts I gather from the Iranians side is that

1. Palestinians are made to pay the price for something the Europeans claim they did.
2. Palestinians are given practically no chance to defend themselves against zionist agression, for the zionist entity receives massive compensatioin for something that the Europeans claim they did.
3. We believe many of the claims are flat out fabrications or at least greatly exagerated.
4. We are not taking the claims made on faith alone and we will investigate.
I recognise the rhetoric bellow. It is ideological so-called "liberal" rhetoric. The not-so-liberal liberal type. I just give it my own label and call it neo-Bolshevism.

Oh -- and just an FYI.

That hitler quote about Armenians is a fake.

CODE

http://www.atmg.org/ArmenianDeception.html

Edited by vava, 25 February 2006 - 08:07 PM.

[Z'areh]

The parallels are perfectly logical. There is case in the courts in the US and Armenians are not quite happy about the changes that are being proposed. Or are you trying to avoid the subject???


1. Palestinians are made to pay the price for something the Europeans claim they did.
Z>true but irrelevant

2. Palestinians are given practically no chance to defend themselves against zionist agression, for the zionist entity receives massive compensatioin for something that the Europeans claim they did.
Z>true but terribly irrelevant

3. We believe many of the claims are flat out fabrications or at least greatly exagerated.
Z> You (plural) can believe the earth is flat if you (plural) wish to.

4. We are not taking the claims made on faith alone and we will investigate
Z>You (plural) can “investigate” all you want.

[Verginne]

The parallels are perfectly logical. There is case in the courts in the US and Armenians are not quite happy about the changes that are being proposed. Or are you trying to avoid the subject???
1. Palestinians are made to pay the price for something the Europeans claim they did.
Z>true but irrelevant

2. Palestinians are given practically no chance to defend themselves against zionist agression, for the zionist entity receives massive compensatioin for something that the Europeans claim they did.
Z>true but terribly irrelevant

3. We believe many of the claims are flat out fabrications or at least greatly exagerated.
Z> You (plural) can believe the earth is flat if you (plural) wish to.

4. We are not taking the claims made on faith alone and we will investigate
Z>You (plural) can “investigate” all you want.

It is evident that you are the one jumping up and down and insisting the earth is flat. Now heaven forbid any investigator finds out differently.

[Z'areh]

It is evident that you are the one jumping up and down and insisting the earth is flat. Now heaven forbid any investigator finds out differently.

Heaven has nothing to do with it darling, the idiotic history that these "investigators" would offer would be similar to asking Azeris to investigate the Jugha destruvction of the our Khatchkars. But your Mullahs have excited you (plural) so much that you cannot see what is real and what is wanna-be-real.

[Verginne]

Heaven has nothing to do with it darling, the idiotic history that these "investigators" would offer would be similar to asking Azeris to investigate the Jugha destruvction of the our Khatchkars. But your Mullahs have excited you (plural) so much that you cannot see what is real and what is wanna-be-real.

My, my your comeback is very LAME. Nothing new for you, though.