mmm khorovadzzzz
The Threat of Islam
#21
Posted 14 August 2008 - 03:34 PM
mmm khorovadzzzz
#26
Posted 15 August 2008 - 03:27 PM
would you consider a muslim convert an Armenian?
I wouldnt, dont and never will. I do have a point with this however but I would first like to see everyone else opinions.
thanks in advance
ok if you like to be one you need some lessons
don;t just improvise take notes frome Dr. Muhhamat
lesson #1 How to beat your wife
"Admonish them -- once, twice, three times, four times, ten times," he advised. "If this doesn't help, refuse to share their beds."
And if that doesn't work? He asks.
"Beat them," one of the 3 responded.
"That's right," Al-'Arifi said.
#27
Posted 15 August 2008 - 03:34 PM
in short - Armenian is not a religion - Armenian is a nation
Hye@ Da Azgutyun e Yev voch k@ron
yerevi te amenajisht@ mer azgutyun@ mer k@ron darstnel e
#29
Posted 15 August 2008 - 04:17 PM
no not for me / not anymore
if your not a Hethanos than be what you like - since our naturally born Armenian Religion is ???
if Catholic is Armenians - that's fine ? , if we have Yexpiyrakan or Boghoqakan Armenians and thats fine yes ??
The Main Think is to be Armenian and to Stay Armenian
Sirir Qo Hayrenin
Pahpanir Qo Hogh@ HAyots
Apavini Qo Hogu Kanchin
Pashtir qo AyBuBen@
HArgir Zinvorin yev ir Mor@
Ogni, Hasir qo Hayrenaktsin Qo Hye'in negutyan jamanak
Ashxarh ber Hayi Zavak, apahovir n@ran usumov yev sovoretsru iren ir Azgi Bariqner@ ir yerg @yve par@, ir Patmutyun@, na mer Azgi Apagen e
k@ron ? inch k@ron ?? et vor mek k@ronn e or mer yerkirn e pahel ? Shinel Shenatsrel ?? ogneq hishem
#30
Posted 16 August 2008 - 11:29 AM
if your not a Hethanos than be what you like - since our naturally born Armenian Religion is ???
if Catholic is Armenians - that's fine ? , if we have Yexpiyrakan or Boghoqakan Armenians and thats fine yes ??
The Main Think is to be Armenian and to Stay Armenian
Sirir Qo Hayrenin
Pahpanir Qo Hogh@ HAyots
Apavini Qo Hogu Kanchin
Pashtir qo AyBuBen@
HArgir Zinvorin yev ir Mor@
Ogni, Hasir qo Hayrenaktsin Qo Hye'in negutyan jamanak
Ashxarh ber Hayi Zavak, apahovir n@ran usumov yev sovoretsru iren ir Azgi Bariqner@ ir yerg @yve par@, ir Patmutyun@, na mer Azgi Apagen e
k@ron ? inch k@ron ?? et vor mek k@ronn e or mer yerkirn e pahel ? Shinel Shenatsrel ?? ogneq hishem
Hetanos? ur kidding right?
If anything the pagans are the real Armenians FOLLOWED by christianity.
and no once again, saying I love Armenia does not make me an Armenian.
Agreed, not being Christianity doesnt necessarily take away your Armenianness, but I dont consider a jew or a Muslim as Armenian. no Matter his roots.
Buddhism either actually.
its so out of character.
We are Armenian and indo-europeans.
Our culture, our language, our genes, all of Aryan stock.
Adopting a religion that is of semetic or asiatic origin is just not right.
Granted christianity is semetic, but is a part of Europe as well and has helped to form European culture and values for the past 2000 years.
Aside the fact that Islam is evil and seeks to enslave us all, adopting such a religion is also adopting a middle eastern lifestyle and is thus not compatible with being Armenian.
so yes, religion matters a great deal to your identity.
Muslim and jewish Armenians simply arnt Armenians
#32
Posted 16 August 2008 - 04:17 PM
it's ok my good frined your still young
As I wach these beautiful Hamshetzis dance and sing I admire and feel kinship. They are muslim because they were intimidated or worse into Islam. And since then, not much has happened to them. I look to religion as something personal in these days. One can be an atheist and still be Armenian. One can be Armenian and be a "daghmar" too. We should set up a school in Armenia for children of Hamshetzis from Turkey. Free Armenian Education from one through university. Fire them up with ethnic pride and send them back to their villages like peace corps volunteers.
#33
Posted 17 August 2008 - 04:00 AM
Eward jan NIce to see you
PS. a person should be able to choose his / her religion - not be baptized by his parents special wan he she has no idea what religion is - at age of 30 or 40 days
#34
Posted 17 August 2008 - 12:16 PM
it's ok my good frined your still young
A large part of Hamshens are Christians and alot of Muslim hamshens are willing to convert to the religion of their ancestors.
also, their language is a mix of Turkish and Armenian, is that true Armenian?
if you think so then I see now that you dont really care about preserving Armenia or your heritage...
how about we all just mix up our language, faith, people and culture just for the sake of diversity.
but at what cost?
#35
Posted 17 August 2008 - 01:11 PM
also, their language is a mix of Turkish and Armenian, is that true Armenian?
if you think so then I see now that you dont really care about preserving Armenia or your heritage...
how about we all just mix up our language, faith, people and culture just for the sake of diversity.
but at what cost?
I think it's time you started to accept that part of being Armenian is being diverse. We're not a uniform nation. Never were, never will be. Just like every other nation in the world.
#36
Posted 18 August 2008 - 02:08 AM
#37
Posted 18 August 2008 - 12:12 PM
#38
Posted 18 August 2008 - 01:06 PM
some are willing to convert, who are not in turky
also, their language is a mix of Turkish and Armenian, is that true Armenian?
so is our everyday "Armenian", so is our dialect's of Mush, Musa Ler, Kars, Bolis, Adana, and many others
if you think so then I see now that you dont really care about preserving Armenia or your heritage...
hold on hold on not so fast my good friend
don;t just post something thinking of that you need to reply to me -
#1 it's not my it's our Armenian Heritage, our Culture, our language and our history
in that our we have Armenians of Armenia , Mush , Ardahan, cilicia, Musa Ler, Hadjen ......... end yes Hamshnahayas, HamshnaHayas are part of us and and yes they are Armenians
#2 - "don't really care" - instead of getting in a pissing game w/ you - i prefer to answer this way - i do it to best of my ability
how about we all just mix up our language,
we did it for long time - it's not only Turkish it's also Russian, Iranian, Arabic ...
mix up faith
we did this many times - remember wan we gave up Aramazd and Vahagn ? /Astghik and tsovinar, Mhir and Anahit ? this is wan we mixed up - wan we "betrayed" our Armenian God's
mix up people
we do have many Armenian that are in mix up marriages, is that good ? or bad ?? do we stone them dawn ?? since they are in mixed people - marriage - like half Armenia half American ? or half Russian half Armenian ?? or French, or arebic ?? - if we are - then lets start w/ Mr Aznavur and Kerk Grigoryan
culture just for the sake of diversity.
ok let see - so we should only listen to Sayat Nova, Gusan Sheram, Gusan Ashot - upsss sorry - we can;t since Sayat nova used Armenian Turkish Vratsy in it's songs, and mugham was big part of his music, and we all know mugham is not Armenian - se we should just disown him and the rest or the Gusans and Ashughs.
we Armenian proudly recognize System Of A Down as an Armenian - but System Of A Down has nothing to do w/ our musical culture. but we love them ?? do we disown them also ??
culture culture culture culture - ehhhhhhhhh ... haw much of it was destroyed when we proclaimed Christianity the sole state religion, making Armenia the First Christian Nation on Earth ?? our music ?? our sheet music ( xazagir's ), our temples and literature .. should i stop now ?
but at what cost?
stay Armenian at any cost, to welcome any Armenian as your sister and brother w/ no preconditions whatsoever, Armenian is a nation, Armenian is the only think we have that can unite all of us
#39
Posted 18 August 2008 - 10:43 PM
te migutse amen Hay hoqnele ir patmutunits mi qutse? manuk hasakits lselov Yexern, "menq amena araji qristonya azgnenq"....eh heto inch? 20-rt dari arachin Genocid azgnenq, ( voxpam merelots) yes et tramabanutyamb u hoqevijakovel dastirakvumen amen mi nor serund
mite sa aroxj haytarate azagapashpanman hamar, urax yerjanik serund dastirakelu hamar? hima el kronenq hartsakani dnum, hashvum tsanr u tetev anum.................en paherin marts (yev Haye ayo) nuynisik kyanqin chsparnox bayts shahi hamar kronapox el e darel u SRIKA u takanq STAHAK e darel! inch kron? knereq artahaytutyans
yes hoqnelem el nvauts, amen tari 24-in gnaluts, verj tanq u depi apaga nayenq, ovqer der unaynutyan mej en aprum edpes el kgnan es ashxarits.
"unaynutyun unaynutyants, amen banitsel unayn E"
#40
Posted 20 August 2008 - 12:06 AM
I would argue that it is not Christianity, per se, that saved our culture and nationhood but the fact that we were different from our surroundings that help cement our uniqueness. If we had adopted (or forced to adopt) Catholicism at an early stage and Rome had exerted its influence (bearing in mind that Christian Rome at that time was not the docile Vatican of today but a major military power with their Popes leading huge armies) I doubt that we would have kept out national traditions intact today.
So it is not Christianity but the fact that we remained an independent Church that contributed to keeping our national identity and safeguarded our traditions. The opposite would have been true also, being Muslim in a sea of hostile Christian empires would have helped keep our nationhood alive, knowing us we probably would have opted for a unique and an independent Muslim sect. We also forget that Islam was much more advanced in the sciences and the arts than Christian Europe at that time. Cultural differences causes wars, religion is only a tool, ask any Northern Islander and he'll tell you his thoughts about his fellow British Christians.
If you find being Muslim as revolting consider this: American Talibans elected their Mullah who is in residence in Washinton DC now for eight years.
With regards to this topic's main notion of considering a Muslim Armenian being disgusting can be a sign of misplaced over-emotions at best , complete ignorance at worse. So our women would possibly have worn headscarves so what? Some women wear headscarves in the church today so what is the big deal?
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