Is Violence Cool?
#1
Posted 26 May 2004 - 11:42 AM
Young kids rather imitate gagsta Rap then its peaceful positive alternatives. Are we going down the drain as a civilization?
This is more a philosophy topic then theology but nowhere to post hence here.
#2
Posted 26 May 2004 - 11:56 AM
Will this take civilization down the drain? By itself, "no", but is it a part of greater problems that are tearing us down, "yes".
#3
Posted 26 May 2004 - 11:57 AM
#4
Posted 26 May 2004 - 11:58 AM
#5
Posted 26 May 2004 - 12:07 PM
It is a tin red line that divides them.
#6
Posted 26 May 2004 - 12:15 PM
Edited by sev-mard, 26 May 2004 - 12:16 PM.
#7
Posted 26 May 2004 - 12:26 PM
#8
Posted 26 May 2004 - 12:43 PM
She could have beat her up somewhere in the coridors of the building before the shooting of the show, so that she could not show up for the show.
What stopped her? The tin red line!
#9
Posted 26 May 2004 - 03:52 PM
Typo: guillotine
Edited by Stormig, 26 May 2004 - 04:03 PM.
#10
Posted 26 May 2004 - 05:18 PM
Typo: guillotine
But the colosseum was a setting for (amongst many other things) a specific form of ritualised violence, with a predictable and inevitable begining, middle, and end. So it had little to do with selling violence as we would understand it. Don't beleve Hollywood history.
And the guillotine was invented as a humane way to execute someone.
Since Troy has (from what I gather) had all the mythical content of the original story removed from its script, would that mean that most of the action that takes place in it is now just violence for violence's sake?
#11
Posted 26 May 2004 - 08:06 PM
Just wondering if these qualities in nature have similar effect on humanity. Think about the best economical, rejuvenated periods in human history have often been after terrible distractive wars. American economy grew tremendously after ww1,and ww2 and similarly in Japan and Europe as well.
Could violence be something spiritual? Absurd notion perhaps but could it be the pill which is essential to our long-term survival.
Modern viruses taking lives like aids, flue etc., act like war actuality meaning nature’s population control? And if that is the key what would happen to human kind if we conquer all viruses and create artificial body organs and have the humans multiply beyond earth’s resources?
Back to war and violence and fascination with violence. I guess we all are inheritably posses the spark…
#12
Posted 26 May 2004 - 08:28 PM
Interesting Armat, but if you think about it is all relative. Peace is the time between wars. You are saying that the economies grew after wars. Well, I could say economies grew before wars Wars stopped the growth. So we can only conclude that wars are times when the economy gets severely skrewed up* But we cannot conclude that wars contribute to the economy, its just after the war when everything is trashed even a small increment could amount to a big percentage of GDP growth simply because the base was too low.
I am quite convinced that violence is totally unspiritual, and not at all helpful for survival. If there were no violence there would be no need to be tough to survive.
* of course, the US economy grew while selling weapons and supplies to Europeans.
#13
Posted 26 May 2004 - 08:32 PM
Philosophically destruction has its limits meaning if one destroys perpetually without replacing with something equally or greater input then the culture slowly denigrates and extinguishes itself without major upheavals. I see American culture as exhausted culture thrived once on destruction of European old world values but slowly emerged to chicken soup ideology where we got lot of ingredients in the “soup” but no definite strong flavor and poor quality in the end result.You can argue that this is what makes America strong and full of vigor however on overall values including that of minority coltures economical,coltural it has declined.Black on Black killings are common everyday occurance in every major city in US but that was not the case in fifthies and earlier.What changed?Is killing easier now?and human life cheaper?
#14
Posted 26 May 2004 - 08:50 PM
What happens in culture where too much (-) and not enough (+)? Imbalance and unhealthy environment, hence connecting it up to my statement thus far about US.
I am sorry that I dance around this subject but violence is fascinating and it encompasses lot of things.
#15
Posted 26 May 2004 - 09:09 PM
I tend to disagree Sasun,German,european, economies were in bad shape before ww2 and this fact alone was a justification enough for Nazis to start ww2 weather logical or not.I am talking more in terms of rejuvinating aspects of post war realities.There is great amount of evidance to support it.
#16
Posted 26 May 2004 - 09:24 PM
And the guillotine was invented as a humane way to execute someone.
Since Troy has (from what I gather) had all the mythical content of the original story removed from its script, would that mean that most of the action that takes place in it is now just violence for violence's sake?
I agree,What is deeply troubling how much violence average kids in US get exposed before adolescence?
Even my kids sometimes say to each other when fighting” I kill you” which totally pisses me up and my kids get good education and parenting but think about thousands of other kids who don’t have that but constantly hooked up in front of the black box watching violence in minute by minute bases. One has to be totally naïve to believe kids are sophisticated enough to distinguish character in movies getting blowing up in pieces and song piercing in their ears telling to stuff their own mother in closet and not get influence. This is the massage from the trash producers that they are only providing entertainment to mass audience, which buys these crap in millions, and what does that tell us about Americans? That we are stupid enough to buy it!!!
#17
Posted 26 May 2004 - 09:33 PM
You know, there may have a point there; it’s evolutionary if you will, the endless cycle of life, nature and nature of things, and this reminds me of a thread of evolution and creation.
That’s very simply explained in many studies.
But as I was thinking just now what you said, well, and I have a deferent question it may be valid to ask, how do you explain Armenian Nation? If this is true then we should be a very strong and every one of us would be a Bill Gates by now or ……………..
Sorry for sarcasm bro
#18
Posted 26 May 2004 - 11:49 PM
I should have been clearer - the scene of Parisian women knitting while people were executed in series. It's not mentioned in just Tale of Two Cities, you know.
#19
Posted 27 May 2004 - 12:50 AM
#20
Posted 27 May 2004 - 01:47 AM
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