Posted 18 May 2008 - 12:29 AM
as for sex... reproduction is only small part of sex. there are many many other reasons including the highest form or expression of love for your mate
Azat Jan, that’s why I said that I used to think that way…it was way back when I saw the world in pink from my immature point of view …today I actually understand and respect them (and you know I respect you a lot) because as I said above raising a child is a very difficult and never ending process…Harut said in one of the posts above, that human kind is the most complex creature but effortless to make…I have to disagree, because effortless might be just getting sand and stone for the building, but to built, to organize, to furnish, etc. takes enormous effort…and chances of success are low…
Posted 18 May 2008 - 12:30 AM
eh...Movses Jan...Kyanqic xorata kenenq...
Posted 19 May 2008 - 03:33 PM
I don't know what the solution is or what repercussions will come with stopping them from becoming pregnant, yet I DON'T care. I wish they are prohibited from procreating until they can create tolerable conditions for the living children.
I wish that the children of the world are not exposed to unending periods of hunger, of unspeakable violence, of molestation or rape.
By the way, I completely agree that while creating a child may be the easiest thing to do (for some)- sustaining, nourishing, supporting and enabling that person through LIFE is the hardest endeavor any person can take on. It is a 24 hours a day job. No vacations or sick days. Even if you are physically resting, your mind is still on the job. Every day you succeed and fail simultaneously. Becoming a parent entails forgetting about your own life- your SELF- and living for the primary and sole purpose of caring for another. Many people are not willing or may not be capable to give up as much. Thank God they realize it early on and do not become parents. And for those who aren’t certain, I would absolutely suggest that they visit a household with a small child for an entire week and participate in caring for the child. I am sure that will be a very eye-opening experience.
Posted 19 May 2008 - 05:32 PM
The answer to the question “why do we reproduce or what drives or motivates us to have children?” is different for each of us, depending on our views, intersts, etc…Research shows that most women feel “whole” after becoming a mother, it has to do with rising estrogen levels, which effects emotional and physical state of a woman…Hetanos mentioned number of reasons , another reason I see some women have children for very often is to tie their husbands (or partners)…This never works and makes the existence miserable for everyone…Having children myself I , personally, think that one has to be in a very stable emotional (and physical) state, and simply be ready for the huge responsibility …
I remember that I always wanted to have children, I really did, …when someone asked me “why” I did not have an answer…I thought to myself, what was the reason I wanted to have children when I was young, maybe it simply was my reflex and desire to become a mother…
Sex is a physical need…Humans have primary and secondary needs, some researchers say that sex is a primary need next to food and water (of course for some people its primary and for some its not a need at all ), and reproduction is a consequence of the sexual act… Animals reproduce as they eat, sleep, run, defend themselves, etc…Its simply a reflex…For humans also It was simply a reflex, mixed with pleasure caused by chemicals in brain, for ages… until we started to “think”…
I always thought that people who do not want to have children are selfish… selfish sounds rude… I mean a person who values his/her comfort, career that took them years to accomplish , organized lifestyle with steady hours for lunch, rest, dinner, sleep and realizes that children are gonna destroy all that…(which is btw true )…Today I think they are just practical people who know what they need and when…
I'm thinking of the bigger picture. With all procreating beings. Trees, bugs, sea creatures, mammals, and so on.
Why would some small male spiders have sex if they knew that the much larger females might eat them after they're "done"? It's a death sentence for them just for the females to have a few billion offspring that they won't even take care of afterwards.
Why do male lions kill all of the offspring of a pride that they win from the older male(s)? The only lion cubs that are spared are the females that are very close to maturity. What kind of hope is that for the cubs? Or the pride? Or the species?
Why do female green flies reproduce exact copies of themselves when they have no partner?
Why do some animals commit acts of cannibalism against the young of their own "kind" or "species"?
Why do animals that raise their young defend them with more fervor when they are older rather than younger?
What is going on in the bigger picture and the broader scheme of things?
Why do dogs, which are basically domesticated and reshaped wolves, go into "heat"?
That makes sex almost like a "need" right?
Why do female hyenas have fake p**es?
To get rid of the "urge" with eachother?
Why is sex a "need" or a "reflex"?
So, in the bigger picture, what is sex and why do procreating beings do it and reproduce?
To me sex seems like the precursor to reproduction rather than reproduction being a consequence of sex. That's how I'm viewing the whole concept right now.
Of course the questions are answerable in different ways for individual people when they give "human based" answers on their own conditions and opinions but the process of reproducing is similar for many living beings. Sex isn't exclusively a human thing so why only think of it in terms of humans? The body obviously operates with a purpose in almost everything that it does. So what is the reason for all of this?
I want to say some things about human sexual behavior too but I think it might be inappropriate to post in public. It'll definitely be objectionable and distasteful. I'm not really in the mood to offend people.
I'm a little confused, I guess. I think I need to go for a walk or something and just think about it some time.
Posted 19 May 2008 - 05:39 PM
Why do some female fish lay unfertilized eggs and males of the same species "spray" sperm? They actively seek the eggs and not the females. No humpin' and pumpin' involved. That's a really complicated "need" or "reflex" isn't it? Similar concept applies with many plants.
Edited by Zara, 19 May 2008 - 05:52 PM.
Posted 20 May 2008 - 09:31 AM
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Posted 20 May 2008 - 12:33 PM
Ash, aren't you glad you're not a seahorse?
Posted 20 May 2008 - 12:46 PM
Posted 20 May 2008 - 02:08 PM
You may write me down in history
With your bitter, twisted lies,
You may trod me in the very dirt
But still, like dust, I'll rise.
Does my sassiness upset you?
Why are you beset with gloom?
'Cause I walk like I've got oil wells
Pumping in my living room.
Just like moons and like suns,
With the certainty of tides,
Just like hopes springing high,
Still I'll rise.
Did you want to see me broken?
Bowed head and lowered eyes?
Shoulders falling down like teardrops.
Weakened by my soulful cries.
Does my haughtiness offend you?
Don't you take it awful hard
'Cause I laugh like I've got gold mines
Diggin' in my own back yard.
You may shoot me with your words,
You may cut me with your eyes,
You may kill me with your hatefulness,
But still, like air, I'll rise.
Does my sexiness upset you?
Does it come as a surprise
That I dance like I've got diamonds
At the meeting of my thighs?
Out of the huts of history's shame
Up from a past that's rooted in pain
I'm a black ocean, leaping and wide,
Welling and swelling I bear in the tide.
Leaving behind nights of terror and fear
Into a daybreak that's wondrously clear
Bringing the gifts that my ancestors gave,
I am the dream and the hope of the slave.
Posted 20 May 2008 - 02:28 PM
Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of disappointed shells that dropped behind.
GAS! Gas! Quick, boys!-- An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And floundering like a man in fire or lime.--
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,--
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.
NOTE: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori means "it is sweet and right to die for your country". Dulce et decorum est means "it is sweet and right".
We Wear the Mask
We wear the mask that grins and lies,
It hides our cheeks and shades our eyes,--
This debt we pay to human guile;
With torn and bleeding hearts we smile,
And mouth with myriad subtleties.
Why should the world be overwise,
In counting all our tears and sighs?
Nay, let them only see us, while
We wear the mask.
We smile, but, O great Christ, our cries
To thee from tortured souls arise.
We sing, but oh the clay is vile
Beneath our feet, and long the mile;
But let the world dream otherwise,
We wear the mask!
--Paul Laurence Dunbar
Edited by Zara, 20 May 2008 - 02:36 PM.
Posted 20 May 2008 - 03:50 PM
Em jan, why do people in poverty stricken places have children? It might be cruel to say, but it's because they aren't as enlightened as you are to realize that they shouldn't have kids in those conditions. It's lack of education, lack of knowledge. That's why we have the civilized versus the uncivilized worlds.
And thus the reason why I don't believe in God.
Posted 20 May 2008 - 04:21 PM
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Posted 20 May 2008 - 06:21 PM
There is more art that can be viewed but you need to register and either click on the painting here or go to the gallery section of my profile.
Edited by Yervant1, 20 May 2008 - 09:35 PM.
Posted 20 May 2008 - 08:56 PM
No. It's just that attachments get lost in the topics and forum. This way, it's just art and other images that I like in just one area. Just keeping myself a little organized, that's all.
Also, it's a feature that's really nice here and not too many people seem to be using it, so why not?
Edited by Zara, 20 May 2008 - 09:10 PM.
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