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#1 Zartonk

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Posted 25 October 2005 - 07:45 PM

What is God?
Just curious to hear everyone's opinions.

Edited by Zartonk, 25 October 2005 - 07:46 PM.


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Posted 25 October 2005 - 07:49 PM

(I am sorry about this, but I forgot for a second there was a Theology section in the Forum..)









Edit note: I moved the thread to Theology for you smile.gif - vava

Edited by vava, 25 October 2005 - 08:10 PM.


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Posted 25 October 2005 - 08:25 PM

God is an infinite loop because God created God.

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Posted 25 October 2005 - 09:13 PM

I think that man can not comprehend how God came to be. God's "creation" could not have been a creation that we as people could understand because how could God be out of nothingness?

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Posted 25 October 2005 - 10:21 PM

Why not? Are you saying God can't do that? ohmy.gif

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Posted 25 October 2005 - 10:51 PM

God can do as God wishes.
I'm only saying that we couldn't comprehend it.... we couldn't even begin to grasp the creation of God in our own terms.

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Posted 26 October 2005 - 02:28 AM

QUOTE (Sip @ Oct 25 2005, 07:25 PM)
God is an infinite loop because God created God.

if the 1st God is an infinite loop, when did it ever spawn a thread to create the second instance of god?

if " God created God" from an outsider's pt of view, from God's view, God was never created nor destroyed? So how would u explain how God came into existence from God's view?


this seems like a bad design pattern

Edited by armjan, 26 October 2005 - 02:29 AM.


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Posted 26 October 2005 - 04:07 AM

Why should there be one "God"? Why not many? I have never heard a reasonable argument against polytheism.

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Posted 26 October 2005 - 06:59 AM

QUOTE (Nakharar @ Oct 26 2005, 06:07 AM)
Why should there be one "God"? Why not many? I have never heard a reasonable argument against polytheism.


Well, i've never actually heard a reasonable 'argument' about God. As soon as folks start discussing God, it usually degenerates into an argument, and most of the time, it's quite unreasonable.

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Posted 26 October 2005 - 07:26 AM

QUOTE (Vanetsi @ Oct 25 2005, 10:51 PM)
God can do as God wishes.
I'm only saying that we couldn't comprehend it.... we couldn't even begin to grasp the creation of God in our own terms.

Vanetsi:

You summed it up exactly! Quite right.

"We couldn't comprehend it....we couldn't even begin to grasp the creation of God in our own terms."

We will perhaps when we happen to go to 'anti ashkhar', when we go to heaven, hopefully beside Lord Jesus Christ.

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Posted 26 October 2005 - 07:34 AM

Vava:

Sorry if this isn't the thread to ask this question; but Sip recently said that you're a guy. Is this true? tongue.gif Are you a guy or a gal now? biggrin.gif

Edited by Anahid Takouhi, 26 October 2005 - 07:35 AM.


#12 Anahit

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Posted 26 October 2005 - 08:14 AM

QUOTE (Nakharar @ Oct 26 2005, 04:07 AM)
Why should there be one "God"? Why not many? I have never heard a reasonable argument against polytheism.


For less questions! biggrin.gif can u imagine the situation poor clerics, who can't even answer questions just about ONE God, would have to face if there were many Gods?????????? besides, it's always easier off with having only one center smile.gif it keeps everyone concentrated to THE ONE and gives no other choices.

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Posted 26 October 2005 - 08:32 AM

i have been thinking about "did GOD CREAT THE MAN OR THE MAN CREATED THE GOD" more than about "what is the God", to be frank,so
Right now i can just come up with 2 things for the last question:
1,ANYTHING we can't see, understand, EVEYTHING WE FAIL TO COMPREHEND.
2, MEANS OF CONSOLATION.

Edited by Anahit, 26 October 2005 - 10:24 PM.


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Posted 26 October 2005 - 08:53 AM

QUOTE (Anahit @ Oct 26 2005, 07:32 AM)
"did GOD CREAT THE MAN OR THE MAN CREATED THE DOG"


god did both... man ate the dog...

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Posted 26 October 2005 - 09:13 AM

QUOTE (Anahit @ Oct 26 2005, 02:32 PM)
i have been thinking about "did GOD CREAT THE MAN OR THE MAN CREATED THE DOG" more than about "what is the God", to be frank,so
Right now i can just come up with 2 things for the last question:
1,ANYTHING we can't see, understand, EVEYTHING WE FAIL TO COMPREHEND.
2, MEANS OF CONSOLATION.

It has been said that "God created man in His own image".
It seems like the writer of the above may have suffered from dyslexia. I think they may have meant that "Man created God in his own image".
The reason why there are so many images of God. Consider "vindictive and unforgiving", Loving and orgiving", "god of peace" and god of war". These are some of the attributes of God by the three major religions. I have no idea what the other not so major religions' concept of god is, yet I can surely assert that there are as many images of God as there are humans, 6 billion you say?
Ask them and they wil tell you, all 6 billion of them.
At least 8 million of them will say that their God is bent on vindicating their plight stoking His furnace by sending every and all Turks to h*ll
Some of us may know the song "Ov Hayots Astvats, Mer Aryamb snatsvats, Havatn mer pashtpanir, Yev Tshnamyats mi hantsnir..."

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Posted 26 October 2005 - 12:19 PM

QUOTE (armjan @ Oct 26 2005, 03:28 AM)
... from God's view, God was never created nor destroyed?


We can call that the First Law of God-o-dynamics laugh.gif

But I am in agreement with Arpa ... God is a very personalized concept and that's I guess why the question of the thread asks what YOU think God is. smile.gif

As far as many or one God, my answer is, since God also created the notion of "counting things", the application of counting to God doesn't make sense ... so trying to distinquish a singular God vs multiple Gods is again going to lead to confusion and contradiction.

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Posted 26 October 2005 - 12:57 PM

QUOTE (Anahid Takouhi @ Oct 26 2005, 09:34 AM)
Vava:

Sorry if this isn't the thread to ask this question; but Sip recently said that you're a guy. Is this true? tongue.gif Are you a guy or a gal now? biggrin.gif


Now? tongue.gif
As long as I can remember, I've aways been a guy. I'm pretty sure I can ask around and get some people to corroborate that for you wink.gif You can't really trust 'people' today, so I guess to really know, you'd have to ask God. He is omniscient, and would definitely know. biggrin.gif

Sorry I'm being a bonehead - it's a tough day at work.... ohmy.gif

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Posted 26 October 2005 - 01:17 PM

QUOTE (Zartonk @ Oct 25 2005, 09:45 PM)
What is God?
Just curious to hear everyone's opinions.


A mad scientist who is emulating some of the universes in our multiverse in a quantum computer.

#19 Sasun

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Posted 26 October 2005 - 01:50 PM

One theologist has said "God is not a person, but not less than a person".

Aside from that, one quick insight: a common way of thinking says - if God created the universe and all things that exist in it then who created God? This question is a valid question because this universe is one of cause and effect, things change constantly, one thind leads to another without end. Every effect has a cause, every cause has an effect, the origination of everything is prompted by some cause. All things are connected by the link of cause and effect. At the same time, every cause is itself an effect of some other cause. So by observation alone we conclude that all things in the universe were created. If this reasoning is right then then one also concludes that if God exists in this universe then it must have a cause like anything else, hence the question asked above is valid, and does not have an answer.

However, there is another way to look at it: God does not belong to this universe like anything else. Instead, there are two categories - a Creator/God that is outside of the universe, and a creation which is the universe and everything residing in it. Does this make sense?

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Posted 26 October 2005 - 02:20 PM

QUOTE (Nakharar @ Oct 26 2005, 05:07 AM)
Why should there be one "God"? Why not many? I have never heard a reasonable argument against polytheism.


Amateur... tongue.gif .

Refer to Spinoza's argument against the existence of multiple substances in the Ethics, Part I, Propositions I-V.




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