QUOTE (Sip @ Jan 11 2005, 08:16 PM)
Sasun, I'll tell you what the problem is with your spirituality model. It is not testable. You say one will see if one opens his or her spiritual eye and start to see ... well, that is not how science works. Science can predict things and it is testable. The spiritual model does not predict anything and is not testable and therefore is useless.
But I am saying that the invisible worlds are testible too. I am stating that you, Azat and me also can see it. If that happened isn't it a successful test?
Now, how do you test? That's not simple. I can't show you an atom, can I? That's not simple. You need a microscope. And I can't show you an electron, you need an even more powerful microscope. So, in other words, effort must be made to see, you need an instrument called a microscope. Likewise you need the instrument to see the spiritual things, and that instrument is your own spiritual eye which is located between your eyebrows. Opening the spritual eye is not a joke or something easily accomplishable, but it is doable. All those who have opened it see the same things. Had they been seeing different things we could have doubted that they are imagining things. When I am saying the same things, it doesn't mean they see the same flower, for example. They see the same worlds, which have the same characteristics and the same inhabitants, not necessarily the same exact things.
And that is what I believe Azat means by "show me". He doesn't mean show me as in explain something that has already occured, but "show me" as in predict the outcome of something non trivial using spirituality. I highly doubt you or anyone else can do with spirituality what one can do with science. Call it "physical" if you wish but I would say the opposite of physical in this sense is "imaginary".
There are many testimonies of the predictions of spirituality. You can actually predict. In a high meditative state called Samadhi ( a state where all thoughts and senses have been stopped for a prolonged period) man starts to perceive reality without the use of the senses or sense organs. In that state whatever is perceived, whatever you can see happens at a later time in the physical world.
There is a lot more to the spiritual science, and if you read about it you will understand why it is called science rather than something else.