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#1 Harut

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Posted 13 June 2001 - 07:01 PM

i love his "qaryaks"

here are couple of my favorites.

Hin ashkharh@ amen or
Hazar mard e mtnum nor,
Hazar tarvan portsn u gorts
@sksvum e amen or.

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Zur em pakhchum, ints khabum,
Hazar kap e ints kapum,
Amenki het aprum em,
Amenki het tarapum.

there are many...
what are YOUR favorites?

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Posted 13 June 2001 - 07:43 PM

Check the first one at http://armenians.com/poems/Qaryakner/ .

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Posted 13 June 2001 - 09:30 PM

One of my favorites:

Yerazumus mi maki
Modus yegav hartsmunki
Asdvadz bahe ko vortin
Vonts er hamu im tsaki...

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Very effective...I cannot hold my tears, every time when I remember this...

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Posted 14 June 2001 - 10:13 AM

I think it's is so good that you can find so many poems, but how frustrated I am, while all are discussing them, that there is no english translation. I would love to learn armenian one day . But where I live there is hardly any opportunity to learn it, and takeing on a project like that also takes time. sob, sob! It is a commitment because I like to do things properly, not just slapdash. That is the state my greek is on and It gets on my nerves when greeks say I am not a "proper" greek because I don't speak it a s if I were born and bred in athens!

But, who cares. I am in the middle now of writing some poems myself. One of them is all about the communist rule and the crooked armenian politicians who want to fill their pockets with money, and the other is a about the Ngrorno-Karabagh region. It is about the earthquake and ongoing economic blockade. I am trying to put myself in the shoes of people that it has affected and describe the way I would imagine that they feel. The poetry is not only centering about induviduals because of their ethnicity, or because they happen to be involved in a in a situation just because it is in Armenian /the caucasus but am interested in thinking about people as induviduals, their personalitites, why they thought/said did the things that they did.

I am trying to avoid the genocide because I want to concentrate on the many other aspects of armenian history that are not brought up nearly as often. It is important that they are too because so many armenians think they know their history properly because they only focus on the genocide over and over again, and a lot of the time, I think it is counter-productive because a lot of this goes around in the same circles and focuses on hatred, instead of going forward like it should be. At the moment I have got a book which describes the life and times of Genghis Khan. I was reading his leadership of the mongol conquest and I was utterly amazed. The author called him the "great" Genghis Khan in so many places because his armies slayed and conquered thousands with no mercy. Not just our area but in so many other places as well. The good news is he died as he lived.

Another thing which I am also interested in is the long history of joined greek-persian history! Cyprus, where my mum comes from, was under persian rule for a long time and ancient Persia and Greece were also heavily involved. As most of you most probably know, Persia and Armenia were heavily involved with each other and still are.

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Posted 16 May 2003 - 02:19 AM

***
Line~r heru mi ankyun,
Line~r mankan ardar qun,
Yerazi mej yerjanik,
Hasht u khaghagh mardkutyun:

***
Inch imanas @steghtsoghi gaghtniqner@ anmekin.-
@nger t@vav, irar kapets es ashkharhqum amenqin.
Banasteghtsin toghets menak, me~n u menak Iren pes,
Vor Iren pes m@tik ani amen mekin u kyanqin:

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Posted 22 October 2003 - 01:23 AM

what do you think about Toumanian's հառաչանք [harachanq] (not Հառաչանք [Harachanq], but in general context)?
does it come from his personal dissatisfaction? or from nation's situation at his time?

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Posted 22 October 2003 - 05:27 PM

there are many...
what are YOUR favorites?

Hargeli Harut,

Urakh em vor ayspes tema es batsel vorovhetev es aynkan qaryakner kan vor havanum em Tumaniani gratsnerits.....

I dont have much time right now to write as much as i want to...... but here is one of many "QARYAKS" that i like......

Erb zvartadzayn mer erge lrets,
Marayl tamaden bekhern volorets,
Nra het vertsrin liq bajakaner,
Bolor metsere
U mez orhnetsin apreq erexeq
bayts mez pes chapreq

:)

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Posted 22 October 2003 - 11:46 PM

Hye_Acher
Շատ ուրախ եմ, որ այդ ստեղծագործությունը քեզ դուր է գալիս: Բայց, այն քառյակ չէ, այդ՝ մի ամբողջ բանաստեղծություն:




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ʳճ ӻ, ٻ ݵ ,
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ػ ݻ ٻ ݻ
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ٻ ...


http://armenianpoetr...m/arm/1030.html

#9 Hye_Acher

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Posted 23 October 2003 - 11:10 AM

Manoushak

Manoushake mi jamanak
inchkan araj inch imanas
exel e mi gexetsik
mi shat qnqush anush tsaghik
bayts eghel e shat bats beran
sra khoske tarel nran
nra khoske berel sran
khratel e mayrn akhjikan
isk na eli misht bats beran
khratel e mayre mekel
is na glukh chi el teqel
erb tesel e ogut chka
anitsel e mayrn akhjikan
dashtern enkats aprs tsnkats
hents zoranas shut choranas
u lezut el bats bernitst tokh dur chga
ayl bkits@t tsotsrakits@t...........
etc.etc..etc

Karohk e imanaq ays banastekhtsutyune ove e grel? If anyone has any idea please let me know
Thanks :)

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 01:50 PM

Here is another one of his short stories that i love...

KHRJITUM

Manuknere gorum-gochum
Lalis ain aghekez
Nani nani hats enk uzum
Ver kats nani hats tur mez.

Hivand nane tekhi takin
tsaner tnqats tkhrali
menq hats chunenk, es dez matakh,
apin gnats hats beri.

Che khapum es, sutlik nani,
Du asatsir qarapin
Erbvor zarki shoqn arevi,
Hats kberi mer apin.

Arevn ekav ants el katsav
Menq sovats enq der espes
Nani nani hats enq uzum
Ver kats nani hats tur mez.

Hats chi gtel dzer apin der,
Tun chi galis severes.
Qich el katseq, im balikner,
Himi ayntex kertam es

Mi mets api ka erknqum,
Na shat uni ayntex hats
Na dez ayntex shat e sirum
Na chi toxnil dez sovats

Kertam ayntex nran kasem
Vor sovats eq, im balikner
Dzez hamar shat shat hats kuzem,
Vor duq uteq lats chlineq

Asav, seghmetssocalluk
Zavaknerin ir lanjin,
U shurtunqi vra daluk
Arav hampure verjin

Krnern el het chbatsvetsan
Bazmacharchar mayriki
Achqe pakets u havitian
Gnats, vor hats ukharki.

Manuknere gorum gochum,
Lalis ain aghekez
Nani nani hats enk uzum
Ver kats, nani, hats tur mezzz.

Txur patmvatsq e... :( :(

Edited by Hye_Acher, 24 October 2003 - 01:52 PM.


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Posted 24 October 2003 - 03:06 PM

what do you think about Toumanian's ???????? [harachanq] (not ???????? [Harachanq], but in general context)?
does it come from his personal dissatisfaction? or from nation's situation at his time?

From @ntir Yerker, Hator 1, by Levon Hakhverdian (not related!!):

Halatsanq, apsosanq, harachanq, maqarum` sranq sovorakan barer chen, ayl bar-@ndhanracumner, bar-khtacumner, vor krum en huzakan yev imastayin mets ber ("...barer kan, vor mi amboghj patmutyun en", -- grel e Tumanian@), usti yev hnchum en boloric bardzr:

The rest of this part basically says that Tumanian tried to use the word "harachanq" in as many definitions and settings as possible, also to describe society and himself in it. This inevitably means that his dissatifaction comes from both himself as well as how he experienced society.

World literature generally reflects on society through reflection of the self. Personal dissatisfaction is a result of the way society is. Why should anyone feel dissatisfied if society is satisfactory? So yes, from this perspective Tumanian's use of the word harachanq is both personal as well as social and even political.

The intro to this collection of works is about 18 pages and has a lot of info on all sorts of things Tumanian wrote. If you have this book, do read the intro. It'll give you much more than I'll ever be able to say about this. If that's not enough, I'm sure you can find plenty more secondary reading on this particular subject. If I find something, I'll let you know.

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 04:52 PM

Nairi
thanks a lot. i have that book, but, unfortunately haven't read the into. but i'm certainly going to now.

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Posted 18 December 2003 - 11:34 PM

here is something to ponder about....

Հովհաննես Հովհաննիսյանի Իմ հայրենիքը տեսե՞լ ես, ասա՛... բանաստեղծության


Իմ հայրենիքը տեսե՞լ ես, ասա՛...

Տեսե՞լ ես արդյոք այն բլուրները,
Ուր ճոխ ծաղկում է մշտական գարուն,
Ուր թալանում են մերոնք ու այլերը,
Ուր հոսում է միշտ արցունք ու արյուն։

Տեսե՞լ ես արդյոք այն այգիները,
Ուր իբրեւ գոհար խաղողն է հասնում,
Որից դատարկ են նըստում տերերը,
Որ միշտ ցեցերի գըրպանն է լըցնում։

Տեսե՞լ ես ծերուկ Ժայռերի միջով
Կատղած անցնելիս գետը փըրփըրած.
Վախե՞լ ես անցնել կոտրած կամուրջով,
Նստե՞լ ես արդյոք ափին մոլորված։

Տեսե՞լ ես գյուղը հովտի մեջ մենակ
Ու շուրջը փըռված հին աղբակույտեր.
Տեսե՞լ ես ո՛նց են այնտեղ շարունակ
Կըռվում, կեղեքում քյոխվեն ու տերտեր։

Եվ դու տեսե՞լ ես նրա գանձն անգին,
Հարավի դուստրը՝ խըղճուկ արարած,
Լռության կնիքն իրեն շըրթունքին
Ու ինքը ամբողջ կեղտի մեջ կորած։

Տեսե՞լ ես նրա եպիսկոպոսին
Դեմքին գոհության տափակ կնիքը.
Գիտե՞ս ինչ զարդ է թաղման հանդեսին,
Եվ կամ ի՞նչ արԺե մատի մատնիքը։

Եվ դու տեսե՞լ ես նրա գազեթը,
Որ ազատ միտք է վաճառում հային.
Զգո՜ւյշ, բարեկամ, չըվիճես հետը,
Թե չէ՝ կըմատնի քեզ պոլիցիային...

Իմ հայրենիքը տեսե՞լ ես, ասա՛...

http://armenianpoetr...m/arm/1046.html

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Posted 21 December 2003 - 08:08 PM

I love it when poets compare themselves to God smile.gif

Earlier I had quoted Torquata Tasso (16th Century Italian poet) with this:

QUOTE
Non merita nome di creatore, se non Iddio ed il Poeta.

(No one merits the name of creator, except God and the Poet)

Three centuries later, Percy Bysshe Shelley (one of Lord Byron's closest friends -- gotta connect him to Armenians somehow smile.gif) quoted Tasso in his essay "A Defence of Poetry", in which he compares a good poet to God.

And then there's Toumanian comparing himself to the creator... smile.gif

Inch imanas @steghtsoghi gaghtniqner@ anmekin.-
@nger t@vav, irar kapets es ashkharhqum amenqin.
Banasteghtsin toghets menak, me~n u menak Iren pes,
Vor Iren pes m@tik ani amen mekin u kyanqin:

(Thank you Harut for the transcription smile.gif)

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Posted 22 December 2003 - 12:45 PM

QUOTE (Harut @ Dec 19 2003, 12:34 AM)
here is something to ponder about....

Հովհաննես Հովհաննիսյանի Իմ հայրենիքը տեսե՞լ ես, ասա՛... բանաստեղծության


Իմ հայրենիքը տեսե՞լ ես, ասա՛...

Տեսե՞լ ես արդյոք այն բլուրները,
Ուր ճոխ ծաղկում է մշտական գարուն,
Ուր թալանում են մերոնք ու այլերը,
Ուր հոսում է միշտ արցունք ու արյուն։

Տեսե՞լ ես արդյոք այն այգիները,
Ուր իբրեւ գոհար խաղողն է հասնում,
Որից դատարկ են նըստում տերերը,
Որ միշտ ցեցերի գըրպանն է լըցնում։

Տեսե՞լ ես ծերուկ Ժայռերի միջով
Կատղած անցնելիս գետը փըրփըրած.
Վախե՞լ ես անցնել կոտրած կամուրջով,
Նստե՞լ ես արդյոք ափին մոլորված։

Տեսե՞լ ես գյուղը հովտի մեջ մենակ
Ու շուրջը փըռված հին աղբակույտեր.
Տեսե՞լ ես ո՛նց են այնտեղ շարունակ
Կըռվում, կեղեքում քյոխվեն ու տերտեր։

Եվ դու տեսե՞լ ես նրա գանձն անգին,
Հարավի դուստրը՝ խըղճուկ արարած,
Լռության կնիքն իրեն շըրթունքին
Ու ինքը ամբողջ կեղտի մեջ կորած։

Տեսե՞լ ես նրա եպիսկոպոսին
Դեմքին գոհության տափակ կնիքը.
Գիտե՞ս ինչ զարդ է թաղման հանդեսին,
Եվ կամ ի՞նչ արԺե մատի մատնիքը։

Եվ դու տեսե՞լ ես նրա գազեթը,
Որ ազատ միտք է վաճառում հային.
Զգո՜ւյշ, բարեկամ, չըվիճես հետը,
Թե չէ՝ կըմատնի քեզ պոլիցիային...

Իմ հայրենիքը տեսե՞լ ես, ասա՛...

http://armenianpoetr...m/arm/1046.html

Wow... I had never read this one. Very true but a little pessimistic.

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Posted 31 August 2004 - 10:36 AM



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Posted 31 August 2004 - 10:50 AM

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س
س ߳.
ǰ ﻰ,
ǰ ߳ǰ,
û
ݹ

ѳݻ ٳ۳


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#18 Hye_Acher

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Posted 31 August 2004 - 11:14 AM

β

,
γ ϳݳ ,
γݳ ݪ ͻ,
ͳݻ.
ǯ, ǯ,
ܳ ϳϣ

ͳݻ
߳, ݳǽ, ,
߳,
ݻ-ϻݻ .
ǯ, ǯ,
ܳ ϳϣ

û ˳,
, ϳ ,
γ-ϳ ݻ,
ݻ.
ǯ, ǯ,
ܳ ϳϣ

ϳݷݻ ٳ ,
ջ ϳ ͳݻ,
ϳݻ,
ѳݻ.
ǯ, ǯ,
ܳ ϳϣ

ѳݻ ٳ۳


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#19 iminhokis

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Posted 30 March 2006 - 07:49 AM

very nice poems.
unfortunately i have a technical problem in reading the armenianpoetry website....

im looking for poems about our mayrigs.......




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