QUOTE (Ashot @ Mar 4 2009, 02:00 AM)
I would have to somewhat disagree with this statement, with more marriages between Armenians and Turks we could actually somewhat establish a mutual agreement, people who marry other nationalities tend to forget about their own backgrounds in the name of love - meaning if a Turk and an Armenian marry one another, they both agree to live a neutral lifestyle where they don't care what happened in 1915, therefore they would have to stay out of politics, so why can't we just breed 20 million Armenians to marry them with the Furks and eventually it will be 100,000 JudeoFurks against 3 mil Armenians!
On a serious note, the child growing in the family of two opposing nationalities is and will be neutral, therefore making sure he/she gets the facts straight before opening it's mouth and saying stupidity just like many Furks do... This will actually help us instead of as some thing destroy us...
A friend of mine works with a pure breed Furk, who does strongly agree with us Armenians that the JudeoFurks are the ones responsible for everything. He does strongly believe that Armenians and Purebred Furks were and still could be very good with one another if there were no JudeoFurkish government up until today.
Lav... inch asem? First of all, thanks for your views, very interesting. You are very optimistic, if you allow me to say so in a positive way.
However, I believe that you don't really know many Turks - please correct me if I'm wrong. If you did know them, you'd revise your ideas for the following reasons: If we just look at the development of the Turkish identity, then we can clearly state that it is one of the fastest growing in the Middle East. I actually happen to know tons of them (it's inevitable in some places). More often than not, if you go to a Turkish xyz-shop and have a chat with the shop keeper, you'd realise he's actually a Kurd (i.e. Kurd, Zaza, Armenian, Aramaean, or anything not "Turkish" originating in Turkey). But these people increasingly call themselves Turks today, simply because it is much easier for them to be a Turk than anything else, their children often don't know a word of Kurdish or whatever else. (BTW - We also have quite a few Armenian families who are "Turks" ot "Kurds" nowadays.) Anyway, the point is that the Turkish identity is a very strong one. Just look a bit around you: Who the hell spoke about "Turks" in Irak until some years ago? But as we see, today, around 1-2% of the country's population are called "Turkmens". They are heavily supported by Turkey of course and happen to live just around the oil sources, but the point is that their identity has strengthened immensly in the last few years. What about other counries? Bulgaria, Krim Island, Albania... Turkish minorities everywhere, not the slightest decrease in their population records. In Iran, the Turkish invasion took place about 1000 yrs ago. While the original Mongolian Turks (the invaders) were clearly an extreme minority, as can be illustrated looking at the people living there today, today, their language is spoken not only by their own descendants, but also by the descendants of Medes, Parthians, Sogdians ("Uzbekistan"). Moreover, their numbers are drastically increasing (more than the rest) and the only place in Iran, where you can still find people (admittedly not very numerous, though) who don't speak a word of the official Persian is Azarbaijan. Just like Turks in Germany, in Ukraine, in wherever the hell they settle - they do not "integrate" themselves very well because the Turkish identity is not based on co-existence, but on rape, murder, robbery and theft (just see an actual statistical report in the German "Spiegel" magazine, where the Turks come out last BY FAR in terms of integration, education etc.). You can see this in Uzbekistan too, until recently mainly populated with Tajiks: The Turks virtually eliminate everything non-Turkish there (Jews, Armenians, Tajiks, etc.). I'm not saying that every Turk is a murderer or thief, but their culture is based on such elements, meaning that if a Turk refers to anything Turkish (e.g. "we have Ayran (drink), we have xyz-instrument, we have xyz-place with xyz-ancient ruins, our country, our pride, I love Istanbul, blue mosque etc."), he does in fact refer to Greek, Armenian, Iranian, Arab (or even Anatolian) cultural products. Face it, what the Turks came up with in all these centuries was "many sexual explosions inside of non-Turkish women" (as Borat would express it
) and the genocide or Armenians, Aramaeans, Pontic Greeks and progromes against Zazas - of course, after they first reduced the world's Iranian stock by about 50% in the east (an unbelievable performance, actually). What else is there?
Now imagine a child from a Turkish-Armenian relationship (never witnessed one, btw), let's assume his parents want to express his multiculturalism and name him Levon.
Also, let's imagine his mother is Hay and has a decent job which does not require her being naked. Now, either she's absolutely ignorant about her culture, her roots etc. and so's his dad, in which case Levon most probably wouldn't care a rat's ass about Armenia. Or his dad is a fanatic Anti-Turk for some reason, in which case Levon most probably would not consider himself Turkish, and neither his dad, and they wouldn't really be considered so by the Turks as well. So what could such people possibly do for the Armenian cause? BTW - this is an extremely constructed situation, if you want to know what reality looks like: Probably, such children would fall for the Turkish identity or consider themselves British, American, German, French etc., because 1. most people today are not interested in politics, even more, if they possess a mixed heritage; 2. on a purely social basis, there are far more Turks around (exc. for Glendale
), they have a very "brotherly" culture = they easily accept ANYONE, so it's more probable to make Turkish friends than Armenian; 3. it's cheaper, easier and more comfortable to make holidays in "Antalya" than in Yerevan (or Sevan) - very simplistic argument, but very true...; 4. If you have two identities: on the one side, you have genocide, the fight for recognition, a small country, many sad elements (music, poetry), a sad history, no major role in history/politics, i.e. "losers" - and on the other side, you have "winners", Kebab, dance music, great country with a glorious history (from 0 to everything they have, Ottoman Empire etc.), your only major concern is to be a part of Europe = winner's club, you have fellow compatriots everywhere, you don't have to integrate yourself anywhere b/c your compatriots will beat the shit out of English/German/French/whatever who criticise you etc. etc. PLUS: you will probably be discriminated by the Armenian society.
So you tell me what identity YOU would chose if you weren't Armenian and did not have all that info about the past. You cannot expect a 14yr old to show such high moral and educational standards while most 14yr old Armenians in the US don't even know many things about their culture. So no, I do not believe that ANYONE should mix with Turks - not the Germans, not the Lebanese, not the English, the Spanish, and certainly not the Armenians.
As the Russians say, one spoon of shit spoils an entire keg of honey...
Edited by Partevhasak, 07 March 2009 - 10:27 AM.