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#21 Harut

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 03:43 PM

QUOTE (Ashotna @ Dec 26 2007, 08:59 PM)
Har jan, banvor dasakargnel ir derne xaghatsel mer patmutsyan mech, te nranqel chelinein mer kusaktsutsyun@ vari k@g@nar!!! Ba et gortsarannere ho datark chein lini, zhoghovurdi apagai hamar shat mets dera xaghatsel da!!! Nents vor nranqelen mez hamar herosner yeghel irents dererum!


"mez gerezanaporner el en petq..."

-chem hishum vor amerikyan filmits...


#22 kakachik77

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 06:14 PM

I am 25% Vanetsi 25% Tavushtsi (Sev Kar gyugh) 50% Parskahye - very very mixed!!!!

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 07:35 PM

I am 100% AXPARI jut! smile.gif Both of my paternal grandparents were born and raised in Greece and came to Yerevan in the late 40's. My maternal grandfather was born in a small fisherman’s village in Greece as well.

My maternal grandmother is half Italian, half Armenian. Her parent’s brief love story resembles a Hollywood movie...her mother was living in Europe during WW2 and was sent to a German POW camp to translate and care for the Italian captured POWs. She fell in love with one of her “patients” and they had a very intense love affair, complete with a makeshift wedding ceremony and a pregnancy to follow. By the time my great-grandmother was halfway through her pregnancy, her husband was well enough to be stationed again, but now he was forced to fight for the Germans..against his own people. A few months later, my great-grandma was sent a letter stating that her husband was “missing in action/ presumed dead”. Anyway, long story short, my grandmother never met her father, she was born in Milan and moved with her mother to Yerevan at age 2. Later, we found out that her father was in fact alive and living near outskirts of Milan, however, neither my grandma nor her mother were interested in finding him and he in turn had not taken steps to find them...

None of my grandparents had a high school education. But all of them spoke or speak at least four languages (Armenian, Greek, Turkish and Russian). They have worked hard all of their lives and used their hands and strength to create a home and future for their families. Many of my deep routed values and virtues come from my maternal grandmother. When I look around, I see that my generation is lacking the virtues and values that our grandparents' generation lived by. It saddens me...

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Posted 28 December 2007 - 12:51 AM

QUOTE (kakachik77 @ Dec 27 2007, 04:14 PM)
I am 25% Vanetsi 25% Tavushtsi (Sev Kar gyugh) 50% Parskahye - very very mixed!!!!

Kakachik jan, I would love to hear the story! please don't make it so short!!!

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Posted 28 December 2007 - 12:54 AM

QUOTE (Em124 @ Dec 27 2007, 05:35 PM)
I am 100% AXPARI jut! smile.gif Both of my paternal grandparents were born and raised in Greece and came to Yerevan in the late 40's. My maternal grandfather was born in a small fisherman’s village in Greece as well.

My maternal grandmother is half Italian, half Armenian. Her parent’s brief love story resembles a Hollywood movie...her mother was living in Europe during WW2 and was sent to a German POW camp to translate and care for the Italian captured POWs. She fell in love with one of her “patients” and they had a very intense love affair, complete with a makeshift wedding ceremony and a pregnancy to follow. By the time my great-grandmother was halfway through her pregnancy, her husband was well enough to be stationed again, but now he was forced to fight for the Germans..against his own people. A few months later, my great-grandma was sent a letter stating that her husband was “missing in action/ presumed dead”. Anyway, long story short, my grandmother never met her father, she was born in Milan and moved with her mother to Yerevan at age 2. Later, we found out that her father was in fact alive and living near outskirts of Milan, however, neither my grandma nor her mother were interested in finding him and he in turn had not taken steps to find them...

None of my grandparents had a high school education. But all of them spoke or speak at least four languages (Armenian, Greek, Turkish and Russian). They have worked hard all of their lives and used their hands and strength to create a home and future for their families. Many of my deep routed values and virtues come from my maternal grandmother. When I look around, I see that my generation is lacking the virtues and values that our grandparents' generation lived by. It saddens me...

Em jan, I am 100% sure that if they have passed away (oghormi irants) and/or if they are still alive (astvats pahi pahpani) they are and would be very proud of you! I personally see alot more in you then you may imagine!

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Posted 28 December 2007 - 12:54 AM

I am 100% AXPARI jut ? inch eser e

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Posted 28 December 2007 - 01:21 AM

QUOTE (Hmayk @ Dec 27 2007, 10:54 PM)
I am 100% AXPARI jut ? inch eser e

interpretation for I am 100% AXPARI jut
I am = She is
100% = one hundred percent
AXPARI = Armenian not born and raised in Armenia, may be later renamed to Hayrenadardz!
Jut = Yerexa = Child!!!

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 02:05 AM

The painting - mentiond in my first post!
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Quote from Antonina Mahari about my gradfather!

`I was very young when they arrested me. What followed was ten years
in jail. I had turned 29 by the time I was released. I was arrested
for belonging to an underground students' group called Freedom for
Lithuania. What was wrong with a bunch of students wanting freedom for
Lithuania? The Soviet authorities persecuted us and wanted to erase
the Baltic States. There was a great Armenian painter there as well,
Ashot Sanamyan. He had been arrested for membership in the Independent
Armenia secret organization and spent twenty years in prison. I have
written about him too,' says Antonina Mahari.



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Posted 26 December 2012 - 08:52 AM

A fascinating account. Thank you Ashot. :clap: :clap:
Have you met Mrs.Mahari?**
Even more fascinating is the fact that Ashot Sanamian is in fact your grandfather.
Has he ever spoken about it? You should write about his memoirs.
**See where she says that people will not address her so, but rather as Antonina Mikhaylnova. Xenophobia? Despise of the - ODAR-?
Is that why we know next to nothing about AK’s Russia(?) wife Nina Makarova***, or even LTP’s wife Lucia, aside from the fact that their son David was given a hrya name and now lives in telaviv?
***Was she in fact of Armenian origin, daughter of Makar/Magar?

Edited by Arpa, 26 December 2012 - 09:01 AM.


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Posted 26 December 2012 - 12:12 PM

Dear Arpa - the sad part is my grandfather passed away from Siberian plague way before I was born... from digging information I found out that he was jailed 3 times, each time for a long period... I have met Mrs. Antonina in person once which was few years back. In fact Gurgen has mentioned grandfather quiet a few times in his books! :-)

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 12:52 PM

Thank you Ashot for even more sad stories. In my post above I meant ro ask you if you ever got to know your grandfather. You clarified it. What was your grandfather's sin for deserving that vacation(?) in Siberia.

Edited by Arpa, 26 December 2012 - 12:53 PM.


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Posted 26 December 2012 - 01:00 PM

Thank you Ashot. My question, why here and in many other so called Armenian audios the songs, even though ith Armenian words are sung in furkish, Persian and Arabic klklots, just like that clown Onnik Dinkji-oghlu-an .

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 02:32 PM

it's simple Dear Arpa - as Antonina stated

"membership in the Independent Armenia secret organization"


I will dig up a bit next year and will find some interesting memories of Syberia - will post in this topic again!

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 03:27 PM

Was your grandfather born in baku? I can't find anything about him. There is a Gevorg Sanamian in rge SAE, film producer and director who was baku born, just as Emile Sanamian, editor of the Armenian Reporter is also baku born.

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 04:25 PM

Dear Arpa - My family the Sanamians (Sanamonc) were from Bayazet - who came to create New Bayazet in 1836... My father Gevorg Sanamian was born in Yerevan, my grandfather Ashot Sanamian was born in New Bayazet...

the other half of the family who moved out of Bayazet in 1880's moved directly to Baku area, our connections were lost from 1836 :-(

Edited by Ashot, 26 December 2012 - 04:27 PM.


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Posted 30 December 2012 - 12:12 PM

Dear Arpa - the sad part is my grandfather passed away from Siberian plague way before I was born... from digging information I found out that he was jailed 3 times, each time for a long period... I have met Mrs. Antonina in person once which was few years back. In fact Gurgen has mentioned grandfather quiet a few times in his books! :-)

 
Thank you Ashot for your prompt response.
Your mention of the cause of death of grandfather Ashot being from the so called Siberian Plague piqued my interest. I found out that most references point to an epidemic of Anthrax. A disease primarily of bovine/porcine**/cattle origin, while others advance its origin to rodents.
Who is correct? Pasteur or Yersin?
** See the mention of them tending to herds of pigs.
Ashot please tell us more about your grandfather. We understand that he was a painter. Have you seen any of his art?
See below.
http://en.for-ua.com/news/2012/05/04/154821.html

Siberian plague case registered in Cherkassy region.
A case of anthrax acute disease (Siberian plague) has been registered in Cherkassy region, state department of the Emergencies Ministry of the region reports.
In particular, in Zvenigorodka town a man, 38, cut his left fore arm during butchering. When he called for medical assistance in the town hospital he was diagnosed with "erysipeloid, Siberian plague." Doctors also took samples for further examination in a lab of dangerous infections.
Specialists of the state sanitary and veterinary services are holding investigation to reveal the source of the bacteria and its distribution path.
Bacillus anthracis is the pathogen of the anthrax acute disease..

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_(disease)

Plague is a deadly infectious disease that is caused by the enterobacteria Yersinia pestis, named after the French-Swiss bacteriologist Alexandre Yersin. Primarily carried by rodents (most notably rats) and spread to humans via fleas, the disease is notorious throughout history, due to the unrivaled scale of death and devastation it brought. Until June 2007

 
 

Edited by Arpa, 30 December 2012 - 12:25 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 05:41 PM

I'm always chiming in late, and this is somewhat off topic (I will get to that at a more convenient time), bu Pasteur was always wrong.  Come on.  Even he knew that:

 

http://greenearthfou...bernard-on.html

There is an apocryphal story that Pasteur renounced his germ theory on his death-bed, saying that “Bernard is right. The microbe is nothing. The environment is everything.” The renowned 20th century French-American microbiologist René Dubos (1901-1982) agreed with Bernard’s principle: “Most microbial diseases are caused by organisms present in the body of a normal individual. They become the cause of disease when a disturbance arises which upsets the equilibrium of the body.”






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