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#21 nairi

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 02:48 PM

15. Armenian nationalistic names; Hayastan, Armen, Armenuhi, Araksi, Masis, Ararat, Sevan, Haykuhi, Azat, Siranush, Hrazdan, Hrair, Hrachuhi, Haykazn, Haykaram, Razmik.


Can I add Nairi to this one? :)

I see that the republication of Adjarian includes Nairi.

Also, I think we can add four more categories: mountains (Masis, Sipan), rivers and lakes (Arpa, Arax, Sevan), cities (Ani, Arpi), and countries (Biaina, Hayastan, Nairi).

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:06 PM

ARSHALUYS

Nouthan?
http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=48304#entry301393
Shortly we will hear a lot about the Patriarch elect of Jerusalem.
We have so many Armenian names based on “light/luys” many of which are in majority Girl’s names.
Such as Lousin, Lousadzin, Lousaber, Arevaluys, Luys Luys. We had two neighbors that we made fun of. One was named Luys Luys and the other Arevaluys. Please add more.
This post is full of surprises.
The first.. The surprise here is that in Armenia the name is also given to boys. In the Diaspora Arshaluys (Dawn) at times reduced to Arsho, is strictly a female name. Even if at times boys named Arshak or Arshavir will also endearingly be nicknamed Arsho..

ARSHALUYS =From Armenian arshaluys "daybreak"(both male and female).


ARSHAK =From Persian arša "bear" and Arm. ak diminutive suffix. We also have the surnames Arshakuni, Arshakyan.


ARSHAVIR =Is an ancient Armenian name, which according to Hyubshman means "man"(Zend aršan +vira).


Here is the other surprise (to me) is that I assumed the Abp Nourhan with a furkish name was born in stanbol. Surprise, surprise. He was born in Aleppo with a given name Boghos. Why did that joke of a patriarch Yeghisheh replace his Vhristian name Boghos and dub him with that furkish name nourhan at his ordination?** Notice that there is very little, if any good word about that so called patriarch.
http://www.armenianchurch.org/index.jsp?sid=1&id=4070&pid=85&lng=en

Archbishop Nourhan Manougian (baptismal name Boghos) was born in Aleppo, Syria on 22 July 1948. He received his primary education in the Haigazian School of Aleppo.
In 1961 he entered the Theological Seminary of Antellias to start his theological education. In 1966 he entered the Jarangavortz Theological Seminary of the Armenian Patriarchate of Jerusalem. On 27 July 1968 he was ordained to the diaconate.
In 1971 he was ordained a celibate priest by then Patriarch of Jerusalem Yeghishй Derderian and was given the priestly name of Nourhan. Following his ordination, he was appointed to serve as the Vice Dean of entered the Jarangavortz Theological Seminary from 1971 to 1972. In 1975 he was named as the Dean of the Seminary.


**Nourhan is the stabilized version ot the Pers-Arabic Nur Khan, meaning light of the prince.Yes, my Persian dictionary afforms that "noor/light" is of Arabic origin.
Remember Lisa Halabi, aka Queen , consort of King Hussein Noor of Jordan?
And when you open the site also click on her ancestry, like her father Najeeb Halabi. And grandfather from Aleppo,Syria, Halab. Was her real surname Haleb-li-ian?. :silly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qu,sen_Noor_of_Jordan
Like her father and grandfather She was a Christian until,

Upon marriage [b]she accepted Islam as it was her husband's religion[b], becoming known as [b]Noor Al-Hussein (which means [b]Light of Hussein)***. The wedding was a traditional Muslim ceremony..


***Nouri is a very popular name, mostly boys, with Noura being its female counterpart..
To not forget the likes of Mutaf-oghlu and the almost Catholicos Bozabali-ian. Who will be the next Patriatch/Catholicos? Kurd-oghlu-ian?


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Posted 11 June 2013 - 08:12 AM

ASIYA an Armenian name?
Below it is spelled Asia.
Is not Asia a continent,, the largest?

http://armenian.name...=term&d=4&t=167
http://armenian.name...=term&d=2&t=193

ASYA = From Russian name Asya which is spread now.

Russian huh? Some say it is a diminutive of Anastasia, i.e immortal/resurrection like Anastas Mikoyan (Greek)?***
Anyone here know an Armenian girl named Asya? Here are a few.
http://www.wishjourn...ն_Ասյա.new
http://www.panorama....08/09/16/ozon1/
http://www.washingto...es/DSC_0879.JPG

Yes. She looks rather Russian.
Posted Image

http://articles.wash...s-kurdish-ruins
http://hyeforum.com/...100#entry306229

A woman I met last month in southeastern Turkey is going to die, probably sometime soon. Asias death will not be covered by any news service, and for all but a few people in her small village of Chunkush, she will not be missed. Even the relatives who love her will probably think to themselves, well, she was 98 years old. Or 99. Or, if she survives until 2015, somewhere in the neighborhood of a century. She will have lived a long life.

Ayshe of Gayane Suite is Kurdish



Finally. Is Asia/ Asiya a dyslexic form of th Arabo Kurdish name Asisha/Ayshwh?
See Aisha here;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad's_wives#Aisha_bint_Abu_Bakr

*** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastasia

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:41 AM

Finally. Is Asia/ Asiya a dyslexic form of th Arabo Kurdish name Asisha/Ayshwh?
See Aisha here;
https://en.wikipedia...a_bint_Abu_Bakr


*** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastasia


That was my first guess. Kurds wouldn't have much to do with Anastasia.

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:48 AM

SAGHATHEL/SALATHIEL?

What does it mean, where does it come from, when was it first used by whom?
Armenians are funny. No, they are weird. Speaking of weird
http://hyeforum.com/...lsik#entry32676
Yes, we are funny and weird. Only in Armenia we name our children such obscure names like Hamlet, Macbeth, Spartak and,, and,,, and Yughaber. (We will see about this).
Do any others give their children such names?
All that remains we name our children Nabucodonossor See below.
No source expands to tell us who or what Saghathiel was. See the biblical references below.
Anyone here known a real person named Saghathel or Saghathelian?
I have.
Where do Armenians find these names?
Do any others name their children Saghatel/Salatiel?
Seems like only Hispamics use that name.
Please search and see how many Saghahtels and Saghatelians you find.
My paternal grandmother was Saghatelian, we have no idea why. Who was that ancestor of the family named for?. Later we found out her family had an alternate surname Keshishian. Was that ancestor known as Saghatel Keshish?***.
Once again, Where do Armenians find these obscure names that no one else seems to remember? When did the Armenians start using the name Saghathel? Who is/was that Saghathel/Saghathelian that so may of us are named for?
Yes, we are funny and weird. Only in Armenia we name our children such obscure names like Hamlet, Macbeth, Spartak and,, and,,, Yughaber? Do any others give their children such names? All that remains we name our children Nabucodonossor See below.
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I cannot find any etymology or the origin of the name. Where did our clerical bible expert genius clowns find it, and decided it was a good Armenian name.
Why?
Did they think it is the Armenian version of Saladdin/.Salaheddin?****

1Esdr.6=[2] Then stood up Zorobabel the son of Salatiel, and Jesus the son of Josedec, and began to build the house of the Lord at Jerusalem, the prophets of the Lord being with them, and helping them.
See Chapter 6, verse 2 here.
http://kendimian.com/Bible/Ezras1.html
http://armenian.name...term&d=1&t=1933


SAGHATEL =From Hebrew name Salatiel "question to god".** It is an old name; the short form is Sagho. The corresponding surname is Saghatelyan and Saghoyan, which is formed from the short form of this name.

The Armenian version.
http://armenian.name...term&d=5&t=2200
Once again look here Ch. 6 Verse 12
http://kendimian.com/Bible/Ezras1.html
Seems like the Spanish write that name like the Armenian
Nabucodonosor II - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre
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**Here we see Question to God. In fact Salat means prayer/supplication.
***Keshish is from the Assyrian (furkish) to mean priest. Many Syrian Armenians of Aleppo had surnames like Kassis(ian).
**** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saladin
It is ironic that the current Catholicos of Kilikia has a surname Keshishian. Does he know the etymology and the origin of the word?
See #2 here Delikeshishian
http://hyeforum.com/...754#entry284065

See Saghathel and Saghathelian here;
http://www.aravot.am...աչիկյան/

http://hy.wikipedia....
Weird names?
http://hyeforum.com/...gels#entry32676

Note. No, Saghatel is not derived from the furkish sagh, that our friends in Yerevan are so fond of, as in sagh ashkharh/ voghj ash hath/ amboghj ashkharh.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 07:49 AM

YUGHABER
Traditional spellng- IUGHABER
Oil Bearer
Yet another obscure, weird and obsolete name.
A famous Yughaber, mother of Vahan Terian (Ter Grigorian)
http://calyx.tumblr....r-ter-grigoryan
Anyone here have known a person named so?
Anyone-s mother or grandmother named so?
Nowadays this name and others are used entertainingly. No one, to my knowledge names their daughters so.
I always thought that it referred to the saints Gayaneh and Hripsme. Turns out, it is from the biblical account of the Resurrection, when Mary Magdalene and her friends came to visit Jesus -s grave on the day after. Bearing sacred oil to anoint his body.
At the resurrection
Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:9, Luke 24, John 20:1
Yughaber Kanayq
http://www.holytrini.../posts/view/342
http://www.gallery.a...base/item/6585/

In Mark, Matthew, and John, Mary Magdalene is first witness to the resurrection. John 20:1 names Mary Magdalene in describing who discovered the tomb to be empty. Mark 16:9 says she was accompanied by Salome and Mary the mother of James, while Matthew 28:1 omits Salome. Luke 24:10 says the group who reported to the disciples the finding of the empty tomb consisted of Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them". In Luke 24 the resurrection is announced to the women at the tomb by two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning who suddenly appeared next to them.

Oil Bearers at the Tomb
http://www.aumethodi...04/duccio10.jpg

http://lent.goarch.o...hbearers/learn/

The third Sunday after the Feast of Holy Pascha is observed by the Orthodox Church as the Sunday of the Holy Myrrhbearers. The day commemorates when the women disciples of our Lord came to the tomb to anoint his body with myrrh-oils but found the tomb empty. As the woman wondered what this meant, angels appeared proclaiming that Christ had risen from the dead. -


See more at: http://lent.goarch.o...h.X9yoc2tm.dpuf
See Markos/Margos Ch 16 here;
http://kendimian.com/Bible/Mark.html
http://armenian.name...term&d=2&t=1834

From Armenian yugh "butter", "oil" and berel "bring" i.e. "the one who brings oil". It is in use

See the idle rant about Yughaber here;
http://www.aztagdail...m/archives/8823

Also see Candle bearer Acolyte here; What is the Armenian word for Acolyte One dictionary says DBIR. Wrong, Is it MOMAKIR/Candle Bearer?
http://en.wikipedia....olyte#Etymology

Oddly, in the Armenian Church Acolytes are all males
http://www.google.co...79...........0.
Acolyte and Qshots- Repeller of evil spirits.
http://en.wikipedia....le:Քշոց.jpg

Mind you. Most all of these names are extinct now.
Next will be Srbuhi , Lusatsin and Lusntag

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:24 AM

SRBUHI

Anyone here known someone named Srbuhi?
This brings us to another obsolete Armenian name- Srbuhi (Marisam. Mayr Astutso).) See Santa Maria below..
Does the name Mariam have anything to do with the Armenian Mayr/Mother, as at time some pronounce it as Mayriam?
https://hy.wikisourc...
http://armenian.name...term&d=4&t=1680
http://armenian.name...term&d=2&t=1496

SRBUHI -From Armenian surb "saint", "clear", "innocent" + uhi female suffix. It is in use since XVI c. (esp. spread in XIX c.). The short forms are Srbun, Srpik and Surpik.

Ave Maria, Voghjuyn Qez Mariam
Do we have a Sharakan/Hymn Srbuhi Mariam like this?
Schubert


Ave Maria Text and English Translation
Ave Maria Original Latin Prayer
http://classicalmusi...atin_prayer.htm

http://armenianwomen...ան-1840-1901/

The most famous Srbuhi
http://en.wikipedia..../Srpouhi_Dussap

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:32 AM

Above the system did not allow me to post these.
Schubert

And the Bach-Gounod version

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:39 AM

Bach-Gounod



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Posted 16 July 2013 - 08:19 AM

ԼՈՒՍՆԹԱԳ

LUSNTAG

Anyone here known someone named Lusntag?
As stated before, this thread is about obscure, long obsolete. at times weird, bizarre and extinct names. Sorry ladies. I will try and find weird and bizarre boy-s names too.

LUSNTAG =From the Armenian name of planet Lusntag. It is a rare name now. It is the Planet Jupiter.**
]quote]ԼՈՒՍՆԹԱԳ =հայ. Լուսնթագ մոլորակի անունից. անցյալ դարում շատ սիրված ու տարածված անուն էր հայերի մեջ. այժմ հազվագյուտ է:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter
I have known some named Lusatsin but never Lusntag.
All obsolete.
At the present we have many named Lusin or Lusineh,
I had a classmate of Persian persuasion named Mahine as in the Armenian Mahik/Crescent Moon.. Just like the Persian girl-s name Mahnaz, a colleague of mine. I also met an American woman named Luna. We had a neighbor named LuysLuys, and another named Arevaluys (Sunshine?).

LUSADZIN =From Armenian luys "light" and dznund "birth" i.e. "born from light". It is a new and rare name. ԼՈՒՍԱԾԻՆ =հայ. լույս և ծնունդ բառերից, որ նշանակում է լուսեղեն, լույսից ծնված: Նորաստեղծ, հազվագյուտ անուն է:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter
http://upload.wikime...Louvre_Ma13.jpg
http://www.encyclope...p?bId=2&hId=579
Above the Armenian version spells it as LusnTHAG as if it means Light Crown, i.e Halo
http://users.libero....le/image001.jpg
http://en.wikipedia....onna_Benois.jpg
However , it seems the Armenian word for Halo is Lousapsak, Light Crown/Wreath/Laurel as seen in the line from Yes Im Anush Hayastani-
Նարեկացու,Քուչակի պէս լուսապսակ ճակատ չկայ,
Narekatsu Qouchaki pes Lousapsak jakat chka.
http://www.mysticjou...s-with-Halo.jpg
When in fact Lusntag is the Planet Jupiter.
http://hyeforum.com/...=calendar&st=20
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It is ironic that in the Greco-Roman tradition Jupiter/Zeus is a most virile male, while in the Armenian Lusntag is a girl.
Is there a message here?
http://rome.mrdonn.o...ds/jupiter.html
**The planets in Armenian.
https://sites.google...knayin-hamakarg

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 07:26 AM

ԼԵՅԼԻ

Leila.
This is beyond bizarre.
While browsing this
http://armenian.name/index.php
I came across the name Leila among Armenian girls names. Really?
Do we name our daughters Leila?
Do they mean we name our women Leila
I just saw an announcement in Aztak, that Mr. and Mrs. Xyz had had a baby girl that they named Lila/Leela..



LEYLI =From Arabian name Leyli or Leyla which means "night" or "lily". It is an old name, which is of Hebrew origin. In Armenia it appeared in XVII-XX c. under the impression of popular eastern love novel "Leyli and Mejnun" and is used till now.

ԼԵՅԼԻ =արաբ.Leyli կամ Leyla անունից, որ նշանակում է գիշերային կամ շուշան: Հնագույն անուն է. ունի եբրայական ծագում: Հայերը գործածում են XVII-XX դարերից: Տարածվել է արևելյան հայտնի Լեյլի և Մեջնուն սիրավեպի ազդեցությամբ: Մինչև օրս էլ կենդանի է ժողովրդի մեջ:

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Hebrew origin? NO!! It is from Arabic. Yet, some of us may take such lackadaisical nonsense as a gospel truth.
In the Arabic majnun means struck by jinns/possessed (by devils).
http://www.thinkbaby...meaning/0/Laila
https://en.wikipedia...ayla_and_Majnun
See the biblical account of possessed and Divahar here; Is the Persian word divaneh/crazy/ دیوانه
similar to the Armenian Divahar? See դիւահար here***

28] And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
[29] And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
Matt.8
[30] And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding.
[31] So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
[32] And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

28Եւ երբ այն կողմ, գերգեսացիների երկիրն անցաւ, նրան պատահեցին գերեզմաններից ելած երկու դիւահար, այնքան սաստիկ կատաղած, որ այդ ճանապարհով որևէ մէկը չէր կարող անցնել։ 29Եւ ահա նրանք աղաղակեցին ու ասացին. «Ի՞նչ կայ ր և քո ջև, Յիսո՛ւս, Որդի՛ Աստծու, զ տարաժամ տանջելո՞ւ եկար»։ 30Եւ նրանցից քիչ հեռու արօտական խոզերի երամակ կար։ 31Եւ դևերը աղչում էին նրան ու ասում. «Թէ զ այստեղից հանես, զ թո՛յլ տուր գնալ խոզերի երամակը»։ 32Եւ նա նրանց ասաց՝ գնացէ՛ք։ Դևերը դուրս ելնելով՝ գնացին խոզերի երամակ։ Եւ ամբողջ երամակը դարաւանդից դից դէպի ծով, ու ջրերի մէջ սատկեցին։ 33Իսկ խոզարածները փախան և քաղաք գնալով՝ պատցին ամէն ինչ, նաև՝ դիւահարների դէպքը։


*** http://www.nayiri.co...&pageNumber=662
http://www.nayiri.co...&pageNumber=663
In Aleppo our Arabic speaking Christian neighbors, when they had a party, something like the Mejlis of Sayat Nova times, , they would begin it singing Ya Leil until sunrise still singing Ya Leyli.
Similar but not quite like this

To see the lyrics go to Folk Somgs here;
http://www.mousaler.com/songbook/


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 09:38 AM

ԱՐՇԱԼՈՅՍ

Arshaluys

This is neither weird, nor it is obsolete. I have known many girls named so, some up close..
What is odd and surprising to me is that in Armenia it is a boys name, while in the Diaspora it is exclusively a girls name.
Is this where the Diaspora and the Homeland go astray?
http://southerncross...g-east-west.htm




Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet,
Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God's great Judgment Seat;
But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth,
When two strong men stand face to face, though they come from the ends of the earth!

It means DAWN, Sunrise. See how many girls you know named Dawn.
Often the name is endearingly minimized when family and friends call them ARSHO.
The only male person nicknamed Arsho I have known turns out his given name was , his father called him Arshavir.;
It is odd that Arshaluys does not appear under girls name.
Once again look here;
http://armenian.name/index.php

ԱՐՇԱԼՈՒՅՍ =հայ. Արշալույս /լուսաբաց / բառից:Իբրև անձնանուն գործածական է թե արական , թե իգական սեռերի համար:
ARSHALUYS =From Armenian arshaluys "daybreak"(both male and female).
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ԱՐՇԱՎԻՐ =հայկական հնագույն անուններից է , որ ըստ Հյուբշմանի նշանակում է տղամարդ / զենդ. aran և vira բառերից /: Պատահական նմանություն ունի հայերեն արշավել բայի արշավիր հրամայական ձևի հետ:
ARSHAVIR =Is an ancient Armenian name, which according to Hyubshman means "man"(Zend aran +vira).

Arshavir Shiragian
http://en.wikipedia....havir_Shirakian
Arshavir Kamsarakan
 

Prince Artak of Moks; the left wing was under the Generalissimo himself, aided by his brother-inвЂlaw, Arshavir Kamsarakan,
Վաչէ սպարապետի մահից յետոյ պետութեան խնամակալութիւնը եւ սպարապետութեան գործը յանձնարարուել է Մամիկոնեանների փեսաներին՝ հազարապետ ]b]Արշաւիր Ա Կամսարականին[/b] եւ

http://armenian-poet...og-post_25.html

Պետրոս Դուրեան: Ինծի կ՛ըսեն

ԻՆՉ՞ ԿԸՍԵՆ

Ինծի կ՛ըսեն.-«Ինչո՞ւ լուռ ես»-
Ո՜հ, միթէ բառ կամ խօսք ունի՞
Արշալոյսը, որ կը բռնկի,
Զի անհուն է այն ալ ինձ պէս:


Ինծի կ՛ըսեն.- «Միշտ տխուր ես»-
Ի՞նչպէս չըլլամ, մէկիկ-մէկիկ
Թօթափեցան գլխուս աստղիկք...
Արշալոյս մը չանցա՜ւ սրտէս:

(My translation.)

WHAT THEY SAY?

They ask me. Why are you so quiet?
Does she have a word or say
The Dawn that burns in a flame,
She is endless just like me.

They tell me. You're always sad.
How shall not I be? One by one
Stars were poured on my head,
Nary a Dawn crossed my heart.
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I capitalized Dawn as I have seen some say that it was in fact a real person (girl) named Arshaluys..

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 05:01 PM

ԱԶԱԴ -ԱԶԱՏ
AZAD-AZAT
Although we are not quite done with the girls names, we nevertheless proceed with boys names. Note the underwhelming response to this thread.
We will skip over Abbas, Abdal,** Abgar and Abraham and go directly to Azad.
**Are you surprised that these are listed in the dictionary of Armenian names?
Note how I spelled it with both Դ/D and Տ/T ending. I will explain.
In the Diaspora the name Azad is exclusively a girls name, from Azadouhi,I have known many girls named such but I dont remember any boy named so.



ԱԶԱՏ =հայերեն ազատ բառից, որ իրանական ծագում ունի (զենդ. azata):Շատ տարածված անուն է: Սրանից՝ Ազատյան ազգանունը:
AZAT =From Armenian azat, meaning "free" which comes from Iranian a(zata). It is very spread as well as the surname Azatyan
AZATUHI =Is the female variant of the Armenian name Azat + uhi suffix. It is a spread name.
ԱԶԱՏՈՒՀԻ =հայ Ազատ անվան իգական ձևն է՝ ուհի ածանցով: Բավական տարածված անուն է

:
Here we see where Ajarian spells both ways- Azat and Azad.
http://www.nayiri.co...7&pageNumber=88

http://nayiri.com/im...6&pageNumber=29
Ազատներ/Nobility

http://www.hayagitaran.am/azatner/

http://hy.wikipedia..../Ազատներ

See what Zade(h) means, the antonym, with the negative A is A-zade(h) i.e born without human intervention.

*****zade can mean:Alternate spelling of "p*****zada", Ottoman **form of address meaning "son of a p*****.

**Ottoman? My eye It is Persian.
The furkish rag calls itself hurriyet from the Arabic to mean freedom /liberty, while those other clowns in boku call it azadlik. from Persian.
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One time, at Khor Virap there was whole family of Yezdi Kutds. Their leader was a lady Gayaneh (her real name) who was a physician by training. They all spoke perfect Armenian. One of the men said his name was Assad, which he interpreted as a variant of Azat. When I told him that in the Arabic it means lion he was so happy. (See Bashar el Assad of Syria),

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 09:43 AM

To continue about weird names.
This is getting more and more absurdly ridiculous. Even more ridiculous than when some comedians insist that the (furkish) name of a certain foodstuff is from Armeno-Urartuan toli/tolma.
Did you know? I didnt that we name our sons Shabath/Շաբաթ?.
Anyone here known anyone named shabat? I have not.**

http://armenian.name...term&d=1&t=2043
 

SHABAT =From Hebrew abos "rest". It is in use from time immemorial as a day of the week (Saturday) in many languages (Persian anba, Russian subbota). As a name it appeared in Greek from which it is borrowed in Heathen Ages.


http://armenian.name...term&d=5&t=1827
 

ՇԱԲԱԹ =եբր. sabos բառից, որ նշանակում է հանգիստ: Իբրև օրվա անուն այս բառը օգտագործվել է հայերի մոտ անհիշելի ժամանակներից: Այդ իմաստով շաբաթ բառը գործածական է շատ լեզուներում ( պարս. sanba , ռուս. րցոոՏՑՈ և այլն ) :Հին հրեաները գործածել են իբրև անձնանուն, որից և անցել է հայերին տակավին հեթանոսական շրջանում:


Where do these comedians get their information from? Who is their teacher? That comedian Sedrak Mamulian who insists that certain furkish names of our foodstuff is rom the Armeno-Urartuan toil/tolma. ?

First off, they claim that sabbath is from the Hebrew sabos meaning rest.
Sabos Hebrew? My v*r*k To me sabos sounds Greek, which has no meaning.
Sabbath simply means seven, septe/sette, from the Aramo-Arabic seb;a/seb.a-(t)
This month is September when we celebrate Labor Day., a day of Labor, not a Day of Rest.
No! It means the Month of Labor.
The month of September (seventh) named so, because in the old calendar it was the seventh month after Match being the first.
** Somewhere we wrote that the Smbat means the seventh child. See what we wrote here;
http://hyeforum.com/...=1

Edited by Arpa, 03 September 2013 - 09:49 AM.


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 12:28 PM

ՀՌԻՓՍԻՄԷ եւ ԳԱՅԱՆԷ

HRIPSIMEH and GAYANEH

 

I have known a few Hripsimehs, one of them was my childhood neighbor friend, playmate, my breast sister. Her mother could not nurse her, and my mother nursed her along with me. We would call each other brother and sister respectively. We had another neighbor Hrip, both of which were of the Catholic persuasion.

As to Gayaneh. It seems 50% of girls in Armenia are named such, the other half- Lilith. A contradiction in terms if you will. The latter being a pagan who… don’t let me use toxic words here… and the former an Armenian Saint.

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Above at #5 I said;

 

All is said about Hripsime is that it is from the Greek and that it means "ankyal/angyal", "fallen". I have no idea about its etymology.

 

I don’t remember where I had seen that.

Note that in the Greek it is written as Ripisma.

 

ΡΙΠΙΣΜΑ Transliteration A: rhípisma Transliteration B: rhipisma Transliteration C: ripisma Beta Code: r(i/pisma

 

http://onomast.com/name/29836/Rhipsime

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhipsime

Rhipsime (Hripsime, Ripsime, Ripsima or Arsema (died c. 290) was an Armenian virgin and martyr of Roman origin. She and her companions in martyrdom are venerated as the first Christian martyrs of Armenia.

 

HRIPSIMEH =The historian Agatangeghos first mentioned this name. According to Yeremia it means "great advice" or "desirable". The coll. form of this name Horomsim makes possible the connection of it with Hrom "Rome"(St. Hripsimeh whose temple is in Echmiadzin was from Rome). It is a spread name. The short forms are Hripsik, Hrip.
ՀՌԻՓՍԻՄԷ =այս անունն առաջին անգամ հիշատակվում է Ագաթանգեղոս պատմիչը: Ըստ Երեմիայի՝ նշանակում է “մեծ խորհուրդ” կամ “ցանկալի”: Այն հանգամանքը, որ ժողովուրդը դարձրել է Հոռոմսիմ, հարկադրում է մտածել, որ անպայման Հռոմ բառի հետ է կապվում ինքը՝ Հռիփսիմե կույսը, որի տաճարը ցայսօր կանգուն է Էջմիածնում, հռոմեացի էր :Հռիփսիմե անունը չափազանց տարածված է ժողովրդի մեջ: Սրա փաղաքշական և կրճատ ձևերն են՝ Հռիփսիկ, Հռիփ:

ԳԱՅԱՆԷ /Գայիանէ /

լատ. Gaianus անվան իգական ձևն է :Հնում հայերի մեջ այդ անունով հայտնի էր միայն Գայիանէ կույսը, որի տաճարը մինչև օրս կանգուն է Էջմիածնում:Եկել է 4-րդ դարից, այժմ տարածված անուն է:

GAYANEH(Gayianeh)

Is the female variant of the Latin name Gaianus. There was St. Gayaneh in Arm whose temple still exists in Echmiadzin. As a name it appeared in IV c. and is used till now.

 

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See # 3 here;

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=55532#entry311455

 



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 09:31 AM

ԱՐԻՍՏԱԿԷՍ ARISTAKES

 

Do we still name our boys Aristakes or Takes/Dakes?

I have known several named Aris.

Aris Sevak (RIP) and Murad Aris Meneshian(Aris is his father‘s name), Aris Babikian to name a few

http://www.armeniapedia.org/wiki/Aris_Sevag

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murad_Meneshian

http://asbarez.com/65705/aris-babikian-appointed-canadian-citizenship-judge/

I t would be interesting if there were a person named Aris Dakesian.

Google shows one obituary in Fresno with very little information.

Is Aris the masculine counterpart of Arous-(iak)?

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Արիս եւ Արուս ամուսնացան: Նրանք ունեցան երկւորեակ. Մին կոչեցին Արիստակէս եւ միւսը Արուսեակ:

[quote]ԱՐԻՍՏԱԿԵՍ =հուն. Arostakes անունից: Առաջին անգամ հանդիպում ենք Ագաթանգեղոսի մոտ: ԵՐ ստուգաբանում է իբրև “կրկին պարգև”:Այժմ էլ կենդանի անուն է :Կրճատ ձևերն են ՝ Արիստակ, Արիս: Կան նաև Արիստակեսյան ազգանունը:Գավառական ձևն է Ռստակ, որից՝ Ռստակյան :

ARISTAKES =From Greek name Arostakes which means "gift again" The short forms are Aristak, Aris. We also have the surname Aristakesyan. The provincial form is Rstak, from which the surname Rstakyan is formed.[/quote]

There are many citings of Aristakes. Search and see. The first being;

According t o legend Aristakes was the elder son of Grigor and he succeeded Him as Ctholicos.**

[quote]Սուրբ Արիստակէս հայրապետ:

Արիստակեսը Գրիգոր Լուսավորչի կրտսեր որդին էր և շատ վաղ հասակից վանական կյանքով էր ապրում: Եպիսկոպոս է ձեռնադրվել իր իսկ հոր կողմից՝ դառնալով նրա գործակիցը: 325 թ. մասնակցել է Նիկիայի Տիեզերաժողովին: Արիստակեսը հոր մահից հետո դարձել է հայոց հայրապետ:

Սպանվել է 333 թ. Չորրորդ Հայքի Արքեղայոս իշխանի կողմից՝ նրա անուղղելի վարքը քննադատելու համար, և թաղվել Թիլ ավանում:[/quote

**Catholicos is a Greek word meaning universal/Tiezerakan/ Դիեզերական:

Was Grigor Catholic/Կաթողիկ? :silly:

 

 


Edited by Arpa, 31 October 2013 - 09:35 AM.


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Posted 01 November 2013 - 09:17 AM

Abdal Armenian name?

This is the weirdest, and news to me. Beside Karlen, Serge/ Sergey and Arkady.

Anyone here known an Armenian named Abdal? I Haven’t. I have known some with the surname Abdalian, Avdalian, Avdoyan.*****

According to this site Abdal is an Armenian boys’ name.

http://armenian.name/index.php

 

ABDAL =From Turkish word abdal that means "careless". Later it was changed into avdal and this very variant is usable. The base is Arabic word abdal, meaning "hermit". Nowadays this name is seldom used though the surname Avdalyan is rather spread.

ԱԲԴԱԼ ( Ավդալ) =թուրք. abdal բառից, որ նշանակում է “անհոգ”:Հետագայում դարձել է Ավդալ, որը և տարածված է :Հիմքը արաբ abdal բառն է , որ նշանակում է “դերվիշ” կամ “ճգնավոր”: Այժմ սակավ գործածվող անուն է , թեև Ավդալյան ազգանունը տարածված է:

 

Yet another sloppy scholarship. It is from furkish? Phooey and nonsnse!!****

It is from Arabic , the first part of the name “abd” Abdallah=Servant of God**

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In our vernacular the gypsies were called abdal, to mean gypsy***, nomad, beggar and at times thief.

I have not anyone named abdal, but there are several families with surnames of Abdalian/Avdalian.

The two famous ones.

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35 §History of Armenia by Father Michael Chamich: from B. C. 2247 to the year of Christ 1780¦. Translated from

the original Armenian, by Johannes Avdal, in two volumes, v. I-II, Calcutta, 1827.

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…is a translation into 17th c. English by a Johannes Avdall (Abdalian?). I found him. His name was Hovannes Avdaleants-Avdalyants (?), born in Shiraz, Iran 1803-1870- died in Calcutta, Member of the Asiatic Society of Bengal printed in Calcutta (Kolkatta)., 1827. AD . I wish I could see the Armenian version that Mikayel wrote, and spelled those names. Of course, as expected Chamich was very much biblio-biased, going all the way of we being the progeny of that clown, foolish buffoon Noah.

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Vahe-Vahian (Armenian: Վահէ-Վահեան), born Sarkis Abdalian (22 December 1908, Gürün Turkey, died in 1998, Beirut, Lebanon), was an Armenian poet, writer, editor, pedagogue and orator.[1][2]

**On the surface the name seems to be exclusive to muslims, in fact many Arabic speaking Christians also use it, even some old Armenians of Aleppo. Sometimes abbreviated to Abdo. See Vartan Abdo of Armenian Radio Hour.

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***Abdal=gypsy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_in_Turkey

**** Where do they find this kind of info -schminfo ?

If all Armenian scholarship schmolarship, culture/kultur is similar to this, then please include me out. Yeah, yeah we know. :chef: The name of that rolled grape leaf delicacy is from the Uraratuan. :taz:

***** The furks did not have a word for “culture” Kültür

until they discovered Latin.

***** Dr. Levon Avdoyan

http://www.armenianweekly.com/2012/01/24/library-of-congress-exhibition-on-armenian-treasures-to-open-april-19/


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Posted 13 June 2014 - 11:40 AM

ԱՆԱՍՏԱՍ--ՅԱՐՈՒԹԻՒՆ

ANASTAS-RESURRECTION
Anastas Mikoyan has been a bone of contention, still unresolved for quite sometime.
http://hyeforum.com/...=1

Տղայ անուն Յարութիւն, հերիք անես Չարութիւն. Ալ բաւ, մեզ բեր Բարութիւն: :goof:
** I question the below etymologies, if only by inference, (i.e. opposite of stasius. cannot stand).. To me, it sounds like immortal-deathless/անմահ
After I wrote the above , I realized that I had confused Anastas with Athanas.(deathless). See below.

ANASTAS =From Greek name Anastasios which means ''resurrection''. It was used by many European nations. The Armenian name Harutyun is the translated variant of this name.
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ԱՆԱՍՏԱՍ =հուն.Anastasios անունից, որ անցել է եվրոպայի շատ ժողովրդների (լատ. Anastasius) . նշանակում է հարություն (մեր Հարություն անունը սրա թարգմանությունն է):

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Meaning & History -Latinized form of the Greek name Αναστασιος (Anastasios) which meant "resurrection" from Greek αναστασις (anastasis) (composed of the elements ανα (ana) "up" and στασις (stasis) "standing")
How many more skeletons in the proverbial closet?***
*** http://splendidmarbl...ton_closet4.png
Skeleton in the closet (idiom) or skeleton in the cupboard is a colloquial phrase used to describe a shameful secret.
I question the below etymologies, if only by inference. To me, it sounds like immortal-deathless/անմահ

Stasis-: a state or condition in which things do not change, move, or progress
: Also consider -Status Quo- Standing Such.
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Meaning & History
Latinized form of the Greek name Αναστασιος (Anastasios) which meant "resurrection" from Greek αναστασις (anastasis) (composed of the elements ανα (ana) "up" and στασις (stasis) "standing").[/quote]
Anastas Mikoyan has been a bone of contention, still unresolved for quite sometime. Let me first correct a misconception, my error where I confused ANAstas and ATHanas, the latter meaning Deathaless and the former- Standing/resurrected.. See Athanas below.
http://hyeforum.com/...=1
http://www.nndb.com/...tas mikoyan.jpg
anastas%20mikoyan.jpg
I dont know about you, but this is all Greek to me** :
Why don t the Greeks call that Holy Sepulchre /Holy Resurrection/ Սուրբ Յարութեան Տաճառ Hagia Anastasios?
http://en.wikipedia...._Holy_Sepulchre
But we call it Սուրբ Յարութիւն:
http://hyeforum.com/...1&#entry263141:
Here is our friend Harut Marutian 101:silly:
http://hyeforum.com/...=1
I question the below etymologies, if only by inference, (i.e. opposite of stasius. cannot stand, or status quo, standing as is).. To me, it sounds like immortal-deathless/անմահ/ԱՆՈՒՇ
Many anush-s I know were actually named like, Սիրանուշ/Sir-anush, Վարդանուշ/Vard-anush or Գեղանուշ/Gegh-anush.
http://hyeforum.com/...e=1
After I wrote the above , I realized that I had confused Anastas with Athanas.(deatless). See below.
Meaning & History -Latinized form of the Greek name Αναστασιος (Anastasios) which meant "resurrection" from Greek αναστασις (anastasis) (composed of the elements ανα (ana) "up" and στασις (stasis) "standing")
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ANastas V ATHanas.
How Many Greeks do you know named Athanas/Athanasio?
http://en.wikipedia....(disambiguation)
First off. I dont remember anyone else named Anastas in other cultures. Where and when did the Armenians find that word/name? I have not seen anyone named Anastasio(masculine) but we have seen several Anastasias (feminine).
Really?
Do you know anyone named so, Greek or otherwise?
http://en.wikipedia....(disambiguation)
Yes, we know this flower, Անմեռուկ, Immortal, Deathless
http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Անմեռուկ
See where it says
XERANTHEMUM ANNUUM L. Immortelle, Everlasting
http://botany.cz/en/...nthemum-annuum/
http://armenian.name...=term&d=1&t=407
Do you know anyone named Athanas/Աթանաս? I have seen some Greek names like Atnanasiou/Athanasio.
Yes, we know Many named Adana-li-ian., Van-li-ian, Sivas-li-ian, MarAsh-li-ian, Aitab-li-ians and more. To not forgzet all thez dolma-ji--ians.. One of many;
http://www.angieslis...ews-7213927.htm
http://armenian.name...a=term&d=5&t=91

ԱԹԱՆԵՍ =հուն. Athanasios, լատ. Athanasius, ռուս. ԸՒՈվՈրՌռ անունն է, որ նշանակում է անմահ. կազմված է a ժխտական ածանցով thanatos մահ բառից: Սրանից է Աթանասյան ազգանունը: Այժմ էլ կան Աթանաս անունը կրողներ:
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ATANAS =From Athanasios (Greek), Athanasius(Latin), Afanasiy(Russian)which means ''immortal''.It consists of ''a'' - negative prefix and thanatos - ''death''.The corresponding surname is Atanasyan.The name Atanas is still usable]/quote]

ATANAS =From Athanasios (Greek), Athanasius(Latin), Afanasiy(Russian)which means ''immortal''.It consists of ''a'' - negative prefix and thanatos - ''death''.The corresponding surname is Atanasyan.The name Atanas is still usable.
ԱԹԱՆԵՍ (ԱԹԱՆԱՍ)= հուն. Athanasios, լատ. Athanasius, ռուս. ԸՒՈվՈրՌռ անունն է, որ նշանակում է անմահ. կազմված է a ժխտական ածանցով thanatos մահ բառից: Սրանից է Աթանասյան ազգանունը: Այժմ էլ կան Աթանաս անունը կրողներ
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Nyone else names their son Anastas? Yes, we know some name their daughters Anastasia (feminine, v Anastasio/Anastasius, masculine).
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Let us first get off Athanas and concentrate on Aanastas.
http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Anastasius

Meaning & History From the Greek name Αθανασιος (Athanasios), which meant "immortal" from Greek α, a negative prefix, combined with θανατος (thanatos) "death". Saint Athanasius was a 4th-century bishop of Alexandria who strongly opposed Arianism.
VARIANT: Athanasios DIMINUTIVE: Athanas FEMININE FORM: Athanasia OTHER LANGUAGES: Atanas, Tase (Bulgarian), Athanasios, Thanasis, Thanos (Greek), Atanas, Atanasij, Tase (Macedonian), Atanase (Romanian), Afanasiy, Afanasy (Russian), Atanasije (Serbian)

http://www.biography...~oFnVT99jVdsEex
And as to Athanas. See how many Greeks have that (sur)name in many different forms.
Thanatology= The art and science of death.
See also EUthansia=Good death?
http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Euthanasia
http://www.merriam-w...ary/thanatology
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Definition of THANATOLOGY= the description or study of the phenomena of death and of psychological mechanisms for coping with them.

** Its All Greek to me? I knew the idiom but I did not know where it came from. See where Shakespeare was the first to use the idiom in his drama Julius Caesar.
http://en.wikipedia....iki/Greek_to_me

That's Greek to me or It's (all) Greek to me is an idiom/dead metaphor in English, expressing that something is not understandable.

** I question the below etymologies, if only by inference, (i.e. opposite of stasius. cannot stand).. To me, it sounds like immortal-deathless/անմահ
After I wrote the above , I realized that I had confused Anastas with Athanas.(deathless). See below.
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ANASTAS =From Greek name Anastasios which means ''resurrection''. It was used by many European nations. The Armenian name Harutyun is the translated variant of this name.
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ԱՆԱՍՏԱՍ =հուն.Anastasios անունից, որ անցել է եվրոպայի շատ ժողովրդների (լատ. Anastasius) . նշանակում է հարություն (մեր Հարություն անունը սրա թարգմանությունն է):

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Meaning & History -Latinized form of the Greek name Αναστασιος (Anastasios) which meant "resurrection" from Greek αναστασις (anastasis) (composed of the elements ανα (ana) "up" and στασις (stasis) "standing")
How many more skeletons in the proverbial closet?***
*** http://splendidmarbl...ton_closet4.png
Skeleton in the closet (idiom) or skeleton in the cupboard is a colloquial phrase used to describe a shameful secret.
**I question the below etymologies, if only by inference. To me, it sounds like immortal-deathless/անմահ

Stasis-: a state or condition in which things do not change, move, or progress
: Also consider -Status Quo- Standing Such.
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Meaning & History
Latinized form of the Greek name Αναστασιος (Anastasios) which meant "resurrection" from Greek αναστασις (anastasis) (composed of the elements ανα (ana) "up" and στασις (stasis) "standing").


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 11:30 AM

Hripsime comes from Greek? How so?




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ՄԵՂԱՅ!!! MEA CULPA**, MY GUILT, MY FAULT, MY WRONG, MY SIN, MY BAD.
ԻՄ ՄԵՂՔԸ, ԻՄ ՅԱՆՑԱՆՔԸ, ԻՄ ՍԽԱԼԸ, ԻՄ ՎՐԻՊԱԿԸ


Ever since I wrote the above where I said Hripsimeh meant FALLEN


All is said about Hripsime is that it is from the Greek and that it means "ankyal/angyal", "fallen". I have no idea about its etymology.

ankyal/fallen ? It made no sense then, neither does it make any sense now. It has been haunting me since. I could not make the connection.
How did I FALL in that crappy TRAP?
I dont remember where I had seen that definition, but it has been bothering me since.
Could it be that I misread it or whoever posted it had misspelled ցանկալի/Disirable (ց)-անկեալ**** Wishful
tsankali/desirable to անկեալ/ankyal/fallen without the initial Ց/TS?
See # 5 above. We need better linguists. Not 12 year olds who cannot even write their own names in Armenian contributing to that Mickey Mouse , so calle Wikipedia..
Let-s take another look.
See # 2 here;.
http://hyeforum.com/...e=1
http://armenian.name/index.php

HRIPSIMEH =The historian Agatangeghos first mentioned this name. According to Yeremia it means "great advice" or "desirable". The coll. form of this name Horomsim makes possible the connection of it with Hrom "Rome"(St. Hripsimeh whose temple is in Echmiadzin was from Rome). It is a spread name. The short forms are Hripsik, Hrip..
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ՀՌԻՓՍԻՄԷ=այս անունն առաջին անգամ հիշատակվում է Ագաթանգեղոս պատմիչը: Ըստ Երեմիայի՝ նշանակում է մեծ խորհուրդ կամ ցանկալի: Այն հանգամանքը, որ ժողովուրդը դարձրել է Հոռոմսիմ, հարկադրում է մտածել, որ անպայման Հռոմ բառի հետ է կապվում ինքը՝ Հռիփսիմե կույսը, որի տաճարը ցայսօր կանգուն է Էջմիածնում, հռոմեացի էր :Հռիփսիմե անունը չափազանց տարածված է ժողովրդի մեջ: Սրա փաղաքշական և կրճատ ձևերն են՝ Հռիփսիկ, Հռիփ:

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http://hyeforum.com/...showtopic=23716

Please! In the Armenian the name ՀՌԻՓՍԻՄԷ written with the letter Ռ/RA not Ր/ Re And it is spelled ending with the letter ԷE not ԵYE, and the P is Փ not Պ*** Just as, at times the name is spelled as HriphsimA , where the Letter E is pronounced as the English A as in BAD/BED. As it is abbreviate to SIMA/quote]
Just because we have an allergy in the Armenian to words and names beginning with the letter Ր/R or Ռ/RR we begin them with the letter H as in Rome=H-rome, the Greek Rhiphsima to H-Ripsimeh etc.
Consider the English word Culpable=Guilty******
** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mea_culpa
***
Thank you Mos
http://hyeforum.com/...=1
****Ցանկամ տեսնել զիմ Կիլիկիա
***** From the Latin.




Definition of CULPABLE 1 = : guilty, criminal =2 =: meriting condemnation or blame especially as wrong or harmful <culpable negligence. Culpa s a Latin word meaning guilt or fault.

St Hripsemeh
http://en.wikipedia....t._Hripseme.jpg



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Posted 22 July 2014 - 01:32 PM

I may have found where all that confusions comes from.
 

All is said about Hripsime is that it is from the Greek and that it means "ankyal/angyal", "fallen". I have no idea about its etymology.


It is liIke, a pun, a play on words ԲԱՌԱԽԱՂ by Agathangelos, where he says a certain Yeremia had joked and invoked the Greek Ρ Ι Π Τ ς Ripso, Ripti hriptos/triptos to mean to throw , to cast , to fell.**
http://www.nayiri.co...pageNumber=1441
Referring to her fall/murder
Ըստ անուանդ քում արդարեւ ընկեցեալ եղեր. Like the meaning of your name, you became fallen, you fell.
** It was a joke alright. Have things really changed in those 2000 years? I wish our so called comedic historians and linguists would know enough to sort parlor games, պարապ վախտի խաղալիք from բառագիտանք etymology. Not unlike those comedians who says DOLMA. is an Armeno -Urartuan word, those comedians who dont know the difference between Jenats and Chinats tell us the Mamikoneans are Chinese and the Bagratunis are jewish. The saddest part is that many of us do actually believe them.
NO!!! I will never get over how a blatantly and undeniably furkish WORD to become part of our culture, and are devoted more than a dozen posts under the guise of HISTORY, CULTURE, and LANGUAGE***
Has anyone ever written about the Armenian WORD ԼԻՑ, LITS, ԼՑՈՆ .LTSON ?
Btw. All those pictures they show of the so called DOLMA are in fact Sarma. Terev Patouk, Leaf Wrap, yalanchi?/Liar/ Ստախօս, i.e meatless.
http://www.foodily.c...table-adventure
***I would love to see him talk about KHASH and KHASHLAMA. BtW the KHASH psrt is Armenian and the la-ma ending is from the furkish.




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