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[sen_Vahan]

The white line on the picture I guess is a deffect.

[Harut]

i guess Movses is reffering to this.

but i remember those kind of candleholders were common in Armenia.

i remember we had one, it just didn't have the Star of David in the center.

[MosJan]

yes VAhan jan I'm referring to the > Hanukah < I do not know if that's the correct name for it or not.

a year a go i was in Armenia and this is the pictures that i have taken, I have asked my friend "what the hell is this Jewish think doing next to Sevaks Grave " he told me that it's not Jewish that i was mistaking.
will i just opened the newspaper and her was this article By Gorge Abelyan in NorHAyastan - Issue #26 and he just like me has visited the grave side in 2001, he had asked the employees, and they told him that Sevak had a Jewish "Girlfriend" many years a go, and shi is the one who has placed the Hanukah at the memorial side.
apparently this is not the first time that she has pleased Hanukah on Sevaks Graveside, it has been removed from their many times, but soon some one brings a new one.

Gorge was saying that " haw many Armenia Crosses have you seen in jewsh semetoryis, many of our Armenian Boys have had Jewish Girlfriends, MANY- do any of them have crosses on them????

or let me ask you this, we place a cross on a Jewish grave, lets see haw many days it will stay on it.

Iy Iy Iy iy

[sen_Vahan]

Well, Movses jan,
I think if it was not Sevak's Grave but of some common guy, nobody would pay attention.Lets not consider Sevak as a Saint, he was a human being and that's it. If it is allowed to bring things to the Graves then why cannot his girlfriend bring that Jewish Symbol? Armenians in Armenia were always tolerant to other people, so why not to continue that now?
Vahan

Hazar ut haryur vatsun in@ tvin,
Hayoz ayginern inch ptug tvin,
Hayoz arterum inch berk er hasel,
Dgvar e asel:
Sakayn ayd tvin Mayr Hayastani argand@ egav srboren begun,
Mi manuk znvez Lorva dsegum,
Na heto piti darna patani, ev eritasard,ev ayr imastun,
Anbagt Maroin lazov spani,
Mer harachank@ haszni astzun:
Sakayn nuyn tvin, Loruz shat heru,
Anatolui havar horkerum,
Mek urish manuk lus ashcharh ekav,....

[Arpa]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by PandukhT:
[QB]yes VAhan jan I'm referring to the > Hanukah < I do not know if that's the correcis the one who has placed the Hanukah at the memorial side.
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Go to the topic of Culture and see "Ashtanak"

[Arpa]

The above is the opening from Sevak's Anlreli Zangakatoun heralding the birth of Komitas in Kutahya. Of course, the other one being born in Lori is Hovannes Toumanian who was born the same year.
Here is the lines describing Komitas's demise, virtual and spiritual death.
----
Tarva shounch@ tarva hevqin,
Mek@ mekits skizb aran,
Isk na nman Zmroukht havqin,
Nman havqin mer Hazaran,
Voch gntakvadz,
Voch el mortvadz,
Ayl jakati bout harvadzits oushakoruys,
Qsan tari lour tprtatz
Goneh...
Goneh chtoghnelov hnarq ou huys,
Paratelou mer tsav@ khor,
Avartelou kodzn ou soug@,
Mer hogou mej choratsnelou
Sander porogh artasouq@...

Qsan tari meradz-antagh,
Ev mahatsadz, ev voghjandam
Mi sourb diak,
Sourb ou miak...

[SAS]

Ban@ nranum e, vor Sevaki yerkrord kin@` Nellin tsagumov

vracakan hrea er` Menagharashvili azganunov, bayc qcher@ giten ayd masin:

80-akan tvakanneri verjerin Gevorg Eminic em ayd masin lsel`

Moskvayi Hay usanoghutyan het handipman zhamank` nvirvats Hay poeziayin:

Ayd ashtanak-hanukan pat&enn e P.Sevaki, 1968 tvin hratarakvats, "Yeghici luys" grqi shapiki:

Isk inch veraberum e Sevak-Sulamita siravepi patmutyan@,

apa ayd masin manramasn grel e Aneta_Sulamitan ( tes` "Mi patmutyun" )...

SAS

H.G.Yes im vraci tsanotnerin harcrel em Menagharashvili azganvan masin,

yev shatre@ hastatum en ayd azganvan hreakan tsagum@:

Menagharashvili = Menahimi vordi:

Edited by SAS, 22 November 2003 - 09:02 AM.

[Em]

Ibrev Skizb

Ibrev skizb @ndamen@ yes ays kasem.

Ashxarhum ka jahelutyun,
Ka kyanq,
Ka ser,
Kan t@ghaner yev aghjikner,
Ka shek, ka sev:

Yev mi aghjik`
Sev achqerov, sev mazerov,
Indz gerel e, xelqits hanel in nazerov:

Galis e na yev shat hajax
Dzerqs brnum, ap@s batsum,
Sev achqer@ mert` kkotsum,
Mert` layn batsum,
Mert pakum e,--
Sksvum e ... gushakum@:

-- "Apu-apu, kapu-kapu...
Yek mi tesnenq inch ka apum?"

-- "Atu-atu, ha tuh - ha tuh...
Tesnenq t@ghan inche a asum?"

-- "Anam-peru, chanam-peru..."

Yev mi or el chem hamberum.
-- Gitem, gitem,
Gushak el es, kaxard el es.
Che vor du indz votov-glxov kaxardel es:
Bayts im ap@ inch e talis?
Inqd el gites, vor mi ap@
Minchev angam tsap chi talis:
Axar inch ka ayd api mej?
Kuzes?
darnam
mard` api mej ...

Mardkants araj yev qo araj
Ahavasik inqs em batsum
Inch vor unem - inch vor chunem
Im hogu mej,
mardkants araj yev qo araj
Ahavasik inqs em batsvum,
Inchpes manukn ororotsum`
Yerb shogum e ...

P. Sevak
05/30/57
Moskva

Oooh the memories.....

[Em]

ԱՌԱՋԻՆ ՍԵՐԸ

Պե՛տք չէ, սիրելի՜ս.
Զո՜ւր ես երդվում:

Առանց երդման էլ ես հավատում եմ,
Որ հիմա օրըդ մի դար է տևում,
Որ փուշ կարոտը քեզ ծվատում է,
Որ գիշերն ի լույս չես քնում հաճախ,
Որ իմ անունն ես կրկընում հաճախ,
Որ աղջկական քո մաքուր բարձին
Թեքված ես տեսնում մի ծերուկ արծիվ
(Անգղ էլ լինեի՝ արծիվ է թվում),
Որ քեզ աշխարհոմ ոչի՜նչ չի թովում,
Որ առանց սիրուս կյանքդ կորած է,
Որ...

Գիտե՛մ, ջա՜նըս.
Զո՜ւր ես երդվում:

Բայց գիտեմ և այն,
Ինչ դո՛ւ չգիտես.

Առաջին սերը, ինչպես որ հացը,
Ի՜նչ էլ որ անես՝ միշտ կուտ է գնում..

[Em]

Գժվում եմ


Եվ ինձ լսելով`
Կարող են ասել.
«Գժվե՞լ է ինչ է»:
-Այո՛ , գժվել եմ,
Ինչու՞ չգժվել:



Իսկ գժվելով չե՞ն սիրում ու ատում:
Իսկ գժվելուց չէ՞ փայտը ճարճատում:
Առանց գժվելու ` չկա՛ շահած մարտ:
Առանց գժվելու ` չե՛ն ծնի նոր մարդ
Մինչև չգժվի ` ջուրը չի՛ եռա,
Կեղև չի պատռի հատիկը նռան:
Ծառերն են փթթում`
Գժված են անշուշտ:
Երկի՞րն է պտտում`
Գժված է անշուշտ…

Սերմերը մինչև կարգին չգժվեն`
Բերք չեն դառնալու:
Թաթերը մինչև կարգին չգժվեն`
Ձեռք չեն դառնալու:

Բառերն ել մինչև կարգին չգժվեն`
Երգ չեն դառնալու…


Ախ ուր էր թե ես միշտ գիժ լինեի…

[Aratta-Kingdom]

Mard ka yelel e shalakn ashxarhi,
Mard ka ashxarhn e shalakats tanum

Du, vor sxalvel, sakayn ches stel,
Korcrel es hajax, bayc noric gtel,
Du, vor saytaqel u vayr es @nkel,
@nkel es, sakayn yerbeq ches dznkel,
Ayl maglcel es kataric katar,
Yelel es anverj, bardzracel es ver'
Qo ahegh daric arnelov tever
Yelel es, vor voghj ashxarh@ tesnes,
Vor anorinakan qo dar@ tesnes,
Bolor kaperov du nran zgas,
Shahadzov xndas, korust@ sgas
Yelel es ibr, nra munetik,
Vor nra herun agas qez motik,
Vor jshmartutyan aper@ tesnes,
Dzpvats sti xabel@ tesnes,
Vor chvaxenas, vor chvaranes'
Anardarutyan demq@ xaranes
Aha te inch du aysqan tari
Du, vor harazat dznogn es dari,
Qaylum es andul, araj @ntanum,
Qaylum es aynpes tsanr u vitxari,
Ases ashxarhin es shalakats tanum,

Mark ka' ashxarhn e shalakats tanum,
Mark ka' yelel e shalakn ashxarhi

Na vor yelel e shalakn ashxarhi
Ashxarhum yerbeq tac tegh chi qnum,
Gite te um het, ur e gnum
Um merelin e anarcunq lalis,
Um xosqi vra stic dzidzagum,
Um het dinj nstats nardi e xagum,
Hark yegats depqum, tanul talis
Veric e nayum catsrum kangnatsin,
Chi nayum yerbeq nerqev @nkatsin,
Veryev kangnatsi aghjkan, vordun
Siruhun angam u qartugharin
Vonc e qsmsvum u shogoqortum
Vortegh mi patar chagh u yugali'
Kangnats e ayntegh na yerkugali.
Hesht zrpartum e' tegn e galis,
Nuyn heshtutyamb el ir meghqn e lalis

Amen inchic shat, amen inchic ver,
Harazat moric u vorduc avel,
Ashxarhum na ir ashxarhn e sirum

Sut e: Na ayntegh ir shahn e sirum:

Amen inchic shat, amen inchic ver,
Na patmutyan mej ir darn e sirum:

Sut e: Na dari avarn e sirum:

Amen inchic shat, amen inchic ver,
Mer kyanqn e sirum, mer norn e sirum:

Sut e: Na miayn ir porn e sirum:

Amen inchic shat, amen inchic ver
Gaghaparakan ir horn e sirum:

Sut e: Voch hor@, voch morn e sirum,
Tank che voch vordin, voch el t'or@:

Amen inchic shat, amen inchic ver
Sirum e kyanqum na ir ator@:
Atorn e sirum
U nran tirum
Cankacats gnov yelnum e na ver
Porcum e trchel na aranc tever,
Anverj sogalov araj e gnum,
Gnum e ayspes, tarectari
Yelnum e ayspes shalakn ashxarhi

Mard ka' ashxarhn e shalakats tanum,
Mard ka' yelel e shalakn ashxarhi


Paruyr Sevak

[Garo]

Anlreli Zangakatun and Eradzayn Patarag have been added to ArmenianPoetry.com

http://armenianpoetr...eli_Zangakatun/

http://armenianpoetr...m/arm/2708.html

[Arpa]

Wonderful!
I had already bookmarked another site but, it is incomplete.
Garo/Karo, Gomidas/Komitas, Sevag/Sevak whatever.
Thank you Garo for the wonderful addition to the poetry site.
You may remember this;
http://hyeforum.com/...mp;hl=belltower
When I, all but abandoned the idea, not so much from lack of feedback but of finger fatigue (singular) to stop and translate it. Perhaps, now we can resume, except that I have not yet figured out how to copy and paste relevant passages from the site and comment on particular passages.
Is there a way? Please advise.

[Garo]

I could create a new subforum under Hyeforum Projects category and post Anlreli Zangakatun in Armenian there. Then you could create separate 'work in progresss' threads containing different passages from the poem, translate them and get the feedback from others. Once the translation of the passage is compete we could move it to a new thread containing the final approved versions of these passages and close the thread and work on the next passage.

[Aratta-Kingdom]

Anbajan e qezanic qo tovchanq@,
Inchpes guyn@' dzagikic,
Inchpes paytsarutyunn aregakic,
Inchpes anrjanq@'
Patanekan tovich ayn hasakic,
Voric es durs yekel
U der durs chem yekel:

Anbajan e qezanic barutyun@,
Inchpes krkin qezanic mayrutyun@,
Vori durn es yekel
U der ners ches yekel:

Anbajan e qezanic yerjankutyun@,
Vorov lep lecun en im sirtn u im tun@,
Vronc durn es yekel
U der ners ches yekel:

Yes kuzei qezanic...sa e im tenchanq@
Misht anbajan linel' inchpes guyn@ dzagikic
Inchpes paytsarutyunn aregakic,
Inchpes anrjanq@
Patanekutyan tovic ayn hasakic,
Voric durs em yekel,
Che'...tesnum es inqd
Vor der durs chem yekel


Sevak

[Arpa]

I could create a new subforum under Hyeforum Projects category and post Anlreli Zangakatun in Armenian there. Then you could create separate 'work in progresss' threads containing different passages from the poem, translate them and get the feedback from others. Once the translation of the passage is compete we could move it to a new thread containing the final approved versions of these passages and close the thread and work on the next passage.

Yes please Garo.
Can we make it printable/copy and paste-able?
Not to forget what I has started and abandoned for fatigue;
http://hyeforum.com/...5215&hl=anlreli
Perhaps merge the two to not repeat everything.

[Aratta-Kingdom]

Nororya Agotq

Arden 10 tari, 110 tari, 1010 tari
Yes vaxenum em,
Sha`t em vaxenum
Byuravor u bu't havatacyalic,
Byuratesq u su't havatacyalic:
Yete astvats eq'
Pchece'q nranc bolor momer@,
Marece'q branc kantegnern amen,
Hangcre'q nranc jahern aylazan,
Vor...yegici lu'ys:
Yev vo'ch mi gavtum mi' @nduneceq
Nranc matag@,
Vor irenc@ che, ayl gogacvats e:
Merjeceq nranc zo'hn el xostacyal,
Vor...zog chgna inq@ havat@'
Maqu`r-vse`m
Anke`ghts-ansu`t@:
U te astvats eq'
Amur pakeceq dzer akanjne'rn el
Nranc sogoskun agotqi dimac'
Angi`r-inqnahos-hashvekshrvat`ts ayn agotqneri,
Vorov xabum en vo'ch irenc,
Ayl dze`z:
Yev- bavaka`n e- haskace'q @ndmisht,
Vor asttsun nu'ynisk hayhoyogner@
Sha`t aveli en geradaseli,
Vasnzi nranc barkacrel e inq@ havat@'
Xocta`ts -aryuno't
Ayrvo`g -aptakva'ts,
Cava`ts - jchaco'g,
Manu`k havat@,
Vor hayr darnalu hamar e dznvel:
U yete hayr eq'
Mi' togeq,
Vor sut havatacyalnern spanen nran:
-Inchqan el dzanr e manuk tagel@,
Manuk pahel@ dzanr e aveli...

[Aratta-Kingdom]

Mi Pah Zghjum Em


Yes ogneci bolorin, yes indz miayn chogneci,
Korov tvi amenqin, miayn inqs hogneci:

Xorhurdnerov im xeloq xelq havaqats gnacin
Qani` - qani`s@ kyanqum --- ye's eli gij mnaci:

Ov handipec' stacav mi tas gini indzanic,
Lok yes gini ch@mpeci im sepakan hndzanic:

Inch(?) em yegel voghj kyanqum' harsanqavor u qavor
Minch amenic aveli indz er ojax harkavor:

Vstahecin vomanq indz --- hogis dardzav gagtnaran,
Vstateci shaterin --- gagtniqs aran u taran:

U zgjum em yes mi pah. ser u bariq em crel,
Minchder petq er ser haycel, isk bariq@' vajarel...



________________________________________________________________





Yerazum Em


Hasaks arats, xohem darats mard em arden,
Bayc, ari tes, der gcum em indz desuden...

Indz tvum e, te der piti qez paxcnem
U hets arats' ghajagh darats' qez trcnem
Antak dzoric, garnanayin gij getakic,
Yev inch uzes' gtnem angam qari` takic.

Te sovats es'
Kerakrem yegnikneri hamegh msov,
Te dzarav es'
Qez motenam cogov lecun dzagke tasov,
Te drsum es'
Palat darnam hankartsaki,
Te mrsum es'
Krak xlem yev kaytsakic,
Xpvats arji voskorneric xaruyk varem,
Xaruyki mot qo pagh xosqic iskuyn sarem,
Sarci mej el krak ktrem xosqic qo jerm...

Bayc yes hima ayn patani tgan ho(?) chem:
Hasaks arats, xohem darats mard em arden,
Bayc, ari tes, der gcum em indz desuden:

Indz tvum e, te der piti mi or ashxarh zarmacnem
Hin jutaki yot lari mej mi uterord lar mtcnem
U nvagem:

Chnvage`m, ay sar u qa`r lacecnem:
Yete inch vor tegd e cavum,
Iskuyn bujem' lok hayacqo`v...

Mi hinavurc qarandzavum,
Astva`ts giti inch hrashqov,
Bolor merats lezunerov grqer jarem
Yev bolor@...ye's vertsanem...

Gnam mtnem Vana lji xorqern antak
Yev i`nch --- gtnem hin haykakan haza`r qandak...
Mi or hankarts jgaynanam u vercnem
Mtnolort@ mek ayl odov tarmacnem...

Aregaki, lusni luysov pater tsepem,
Xaruykneri hosun bocic sarqem seper,
Grem vep'r,
Yev i`nch veper...

Hasaks arats, xohem darats mard em arden,
Bayc, arei tes, der zgum em indz desuden...

Indz tvum e, te der piti
Yes verstin darnam jahel'
Ibrev haytni marmnamarzik,
Mrcanakner anverj shahem.
Te der piti chempion darnam yes shaxmati
Yev, hamadzayn patviranin surb mahmadi,
Beran charnem ogu, ginu voch mi katil.
Dzxaxotov el chpiti tunavorvem'
Im isk dzerqov el chpiti tnavervem,
El chpiti urishnerov tarvem --- gervem...
Miayn piti mekin sirem, mekic sirvem...

Ays hmayich yerazneric get yerkus@ kkatarven(?):
Yes karogh em patasxanel ayd harci'n el.
---Miayn mek@
yev---verjin@...

[Aratta-Kingdom]

Taqn ich(?) imana,
Te pag@ inch e:
Ve'rq@ kimana,
Te ag@ ich e:
Na', ov shaterin
Kskits e tvel,
Inchpes(?) imana,
Te dagh@ inch e:

#



Sarn inch(?) gite'
Tujn inch e,
Chshtapogh@'
Ushn inch e:
Te datark e
Ancyald,
Inch(?) imanas'
Hushn inch e:


#


A`x, inchpes(?) e, vor chi hognum
Nra anpak ays beran@...
Na urishi shyugn e tesnum'
Moranalov ir geran@,
Urishnerin der matsunic
U panric e qaroz kardum'
Moranalov, vor aylevs
Chi' makardum ir meran@:


#


Isk ays tip@, hapa teseq,
Dzvi mej el maz e pntrum,
Voch te achqid...aknoci`d mej
Vtangavor xaz e pntrum:
Te skses. <Hnum lav er...>,
Ho chi harcni, te inchn er lav,-
Nuynisk kisat qo xosqi mej
Ir darn aprats faz e pntrum...


#


Ays tip@(?): Qo tan@ lakum'
Urishi drann e hachum,
Utum e ir kuytn ayn bakum'
Dzun atsum mek urish quchum:
Du, inch(?) e, chgites(?) inchu:
Zgayun aragast uni.
Haskanum, zgum e iskuyn,
Te qamin vor koghmn e pchum:


#


Yete asem'
Boc klini,
Yete chasem'
Xoc klini...
Inqd asa.
Yes inch(?) anem,
Ba im ban@
Vonc(?) klini:


#


Inch asem xelqid
Jamanakic shut mi xosq asacir,
Qez, dra hamar.
Megavorneri sharq@ dasecin:
Ba vonc(?) moracar.
<Aqlor@ kanchec jamanakic shut'
Mortecin keran,
Hetn el matner@ mi la`v lizecin>:


#


Sa tun chi shinel'
Giti, te syun@ tan mej e busnel:
Na, vor chi vazel'
Ancnel e uzum, voch miayn hasnel:
--Xosel@ hest e,
Hose`ln e djvar--
hun e harkavor
Syun@ chi busni,
Inchqan el goras.
<tun e harkavor>:


#


Begerd qez qich en tvum'
Uzum es yev lini moruq.
Ham jahel mnal es uzum,
Ham darnal imastun dzeruk:
Du shati hetyevic @nkats'
Qichn el es bac tognum dzerqic...
Ax, hima`r, ayd ov(?) e brnel
Mi dzerqov yerku dzmeruk:



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[rostom]

Does anyone have the Paruyr Sevak CD of poems read by Nune Avetisyan? It is a black cover CD with Avetisyan's photo on it. Published 2001. Been looking for it for a while now and haven't been able to find it anywhere. Thanks.