Originally posted by bellthecat:
Baaa.. I think the "sheep" should have by now started to realise they would get on much better without their "shepherds" - look where they led them to in 1914, or in the late 1970s and early 80s, for example! Or is it that the sheep know they can avoid all the difficult things that go into being a democracy if they keep the shepherds?
That is the point. They haven't realized anything. Well, most haven't, in fact.
My point here about the need for a "police force," namely YÖK, the council of higher education, was that you have "religious" (head-scarved) women who graduate as nurses but will not use alcohol when cleaning your arm before an injection because they were taught this during their education (and they were inclined to, anyway). The public will not go after this. This is what I mean by lack of auto-control. Therefore, you need YÖK to "remind" these people of their obligations.
Another example: as a citizen of Ankara, I have not heard one single word about this one fountain built in between two wheat fields. I was the only one to e-mail Hürriyet Ankara about it and my writing mentioning this waste and shame was the only one in the "complaints" list.
If these who do not say, "Enough is enough, what about our roads and our water being chlorinated once every two weeks??" are not sheep, what are they? You need not follow the shepherd. Not objecting to anything, let alone not finding anything to object to, is just as bad.
It is not about being led to do something bad, as in 1915 or when-not.
Dissolve YÖK, then, for the sake of democracy. And what happens? I would hate to have an infection in my arm because a lame-brain administered rose-water rather than alcohol, simplest example.
However, as Ali says, times and Turks are changing. We all wish there was no need for such, as they do hamper the natural flow of things. One of my cousins back from the U.S. is also having problems because YÖK works slowly and is just another barrier.
Again, though... I wouldn't want an infection. (<-- It stands for more than sees the eye.)
Originally posted by bellthecat:
You are looking for too complex reasons for the quarry! The people who created it are idiots - and idiots don't need reasons
Actually it is Turkey that will use the quarry to its own advantage - as all damage to Ani caused by 80 years of neglect can now be blamed on the quarry and Armenia.
As for the Bilkent maps - I also do not know the whole story, but I think they were maps of the roman empire, were printed in Germany, and had Armenia marked on them. Turkish security police confiscated them at customs. An "expert" from the Turkish Historical Institute was brought in to "resolve" the situation - he suggested covering the offending word with Tippex (no kidding!). I do not know how it was finally resolved, or if it was.
Actually, I saw something about Ani in today's Posta... (Dumb newspaper my aunt wants because it gives the greatest number of puzzles so far. :roll eyes Says that there were pilgrims in there (Armen's group, perhaps??) while they were blasting on the other side... They all came out running or something... I don't know if Posta has an on-line version... (Highly doubt.)
Perhaps there will be some indignation resonating, eh?
You are right, though... I think that in the end it will be blamed on the quarry if the structures collapse - and rightfully so. Neglect is one thing. This quarry business is another. And I think the latter is more criminal than the former. Of all the... Who in their right minds...? <speechless>