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[gdavidyan]

Anahid, I appreciate you trying to help, but nothing and no one is going to change my mind or my feelings toward her.

[Arpa]

Please everyone.
Before we cast the proverbial “first stone”, let us consider who Adam married, but the product of his own “riib bone”. Who did Armen, from the village of Armenaavan marry , when the village of Armenouhi was ten days away?
In the Armenian tradition, one cannot marry except one separated by seven, repeat SEVEN navels, եոթ պորտ apart. Note the number “seven” again. And tell us who Armenian boys and girls married before the invention of the superhighway that cut down a ten day travel to ten minutes.
I may have said this before. In the Beդwin Arab vernacular "bint 'ammi" , leterally "my fraternal borthers' daughter" is a euphemism for "my wife". In which ulture, not only it is a privilege to marry one's own cousin(e), but a duty. And, now please tell us how many handicapped offspring THEY have produced.
Do you think all our ancestors were as privileged as Zangi Zrangi, owning horses and esheks to go over ten villages, travel 40 days to bring a bride?
Once again, let us review thiose mythical figures of "SEVEN" and "FORTY/ՔԱՐՍՈՒՆ"
Սարերի հովին մեռնեմ, հովին մեռնեմ,
ԵՕԹ տարի է չեմ տեսել,
Տէսնողի ջուխթ աչին մեռնեմ...
In the old Kilikian tradition when one was engaged to marry and the neighbors asked who the bride/groom was, the answer would be "Chcgitem qouirk, Otar /gharib e". Meaning- The bride/ groom was neither Marashtsi, Aintaptsi, Zeituntsi or Hajintsi.....
And now! After Marashtsis married fellow Marashtsi, Zeituntsis married married fellow Zeituntsis, Mshetsis narried fellow Mshetsis.... we open thos dusty old mythical biblical canon/schmanons???
Yeah! Yeah! Marrying or not one's cousin is based on an even scietific basis as that STUPID BOOK

Edited by Arpa, 20 August 2007 - 04:43 PM.

[nairi]

I knew we were inbred.

[gdavidyan]

Arpa, thank you very much for your help, I found this on another forum, and if I was to listen to Anahid these words would be out of my mouth.




"My cousin and I are together. We have a great relationship. We have a mixed bag in terms of family that accepts us and those that don't. It's not always easy to stand by this choice that I've made. Some family and friends have left us, have horrible disgusting things to say, but you know some ask questions and have seen the fact that us being together isn't a big deal. Some have actually been better friends and better family and we love them even more because they have stood by us loyally. Quite frankly, the ones that don't have been pretty well ignored in terms of my daily life. My life is my man and my kids, and the people that truly love us and want to understand. I have fears, I have concerns but they don't add up to matching the amount of love and faith I have in us.

So here is the point....

I notice on here so many people saying they are scared about their family or scared of coming out of the closet, so to speak, and also under the stress of those that don't approve of them. Here is an example....

When I first talked to people about the fact that I was planning on getting together with my cousin there was a general attitude in some that they had to correct my thinking. I'm not a little teenager who is in love and out of love every week, I'm not inexperienced in life, I know what love is, I know when it's real...I know what I had with this man was the most incredible thing that I would ever touch in my life. Some said that I was crazy and that I was wrong, that I shouldn't get together with him. I thought to myself about their words and realized....at the end of the day they are going to go back to their loving relationships, their life, their house, their car, their family, their vacations and their daily routine, they are going to live their life in their way.

If I listened to them...where would I be? Would I be happy while trying to take care of my kids, when I was in my car, my house, my vacations? No, I would be dreadfully miserable. My life would be a living lie that would never be anything other then desperately empty. Would they really care that I wasn't happy, would they even have a clue how deeply I'd be effected by following their advice? No, they would likely just smile and say "Oh isn't it so wonderful that we talked some sense into her and she didn't make that horrible mistake!!!" while they sit on their back porch with a glass of wine...while I'd have been at home crying and suffering. Would those people be in my home to hold me at night, to be close to me when I needed a friend, to celebrate the small daily things in life that happen, to help raise my children? No, cause they weren't doing that now.

Jimi Hendrix had this quote that basically says When it comes time to die, I'm the one that is doing the dying, so I'm going to live my life my way. It just can't be said better then that.

I hope all of you that are letting others rule your life seriously consider and see the truth in what I have said and find your courage."

[Shahan Araradian]

Yes, you are right, I shouldn't have said it was my cousin right off the back. I will consult a lawyer, because this seems like a hard topic. Someone said it is fraud, I don't see anything fraudulent, I am not lying in any papers.

Sip, thank you, we talked about that, and if our analysis say that we have a high chance of having an abnormal child, we will adopt a child from Armenia.

It's perfectly "legal" in the U.S. But the Armenian church won't marry you unless there are at least 7 generations of separation between the couple (e.g. great-great-great-great-great grandparents are in common) -- this of course you can get-by by lying/not mentioning which I at least know one couple that has. But this isn't recommended as the children will either be very good looking, or very not-so good looking... (there's a reason the church has this ancient rule...)

Anyways... Move on. You'll "fall in love" again. And it will be as easy as how you "fell in love" this time around (if it only took a first glance at her...).

Finally, keep in mind that birds of a feather flock together; so it's likely she's got some girlfriends that match her profile

[Shahan Araradian]

Nairi, so I guess you know how I'm feeling. I got over this, before I saw her for the first time last year, and I had this lust for her. I loved her, but I would tell myself no, you are not in love with your cousin, that is disgusting, don't think like that. But I missed her so much that I bought tickets to go see her "one more time before she gets married and things won't be the same anymore." That was my excuse, that we wouldn't all play and talk together like before, but really I fell in love with her and I just wanted to see her. And when I saw her again, I don't know how the conversation came up to it, but we some how sensed it in ourselves and we were in love. At that time I was scared and thinking, "Sako, es inch kaki mech es kez kcum" but now I'm going crazy for her and I love her, and I will always treat her like a queen.

Anonymouse, you are right about the family and what I have to do. I made an appointment to see an immigration attorney next Friday.

I'm not going to keep it a secret from my family forever, after I graduate and get a job out of the state, we will move together to that state which is when I will call tell my mother and her mother. However, I don't think I'm going to tell them how we did everything.

Most Armenian guys in Armenia are very "khandot" (jealous) and very controlling of their wives. I don't want her marrying that type of guy, I know I will forever take good care of her and always try to keep a smile on her face, I love her and it doesn't matter to me anymore if she is my cousin.

You guys might now think I'm a liberal nut or something, but I was one of the most right winged conservatives when it came social issues, marriage, love, etc. A year and a half ago if someone said something like this I would tell them to shut up and get over it, and it's sick and nasty, but now that I'm in this position I now understand. My eyes are in tears as I type this, and I should stop listening to Armenchik, he makes me cry more.

Word of advice from someone who is a few years older: don't get married until you already have a job or business and have steady income and you're enjoying what you're doing, and you have your own place and are covering your expenses.

Only then think about bringing someone from abroad... And only then make any promises to anyone else.

And by that time, you'll be more mature... Or else, you've just trapped yourself into a bad predicament; and not only you, but her, your family, and everyone who you've kept out of the loop in your decision-making. And they might not be around the next time you need help or advice; and trust me, you will need your family and friends again.. No man can do it alone...

As you're weighing in your decision, remember, too, that you'll "fall in love" tens of times more, too... So is it worth severing ties with family and friends all for a girl, which is practically replaceable, but you don't realize it now?

...But then again you might not... Either way, I'd give it some time: at least 3-4 years, w/o making any promises. Graduate, start working, move out, etc. First things first.

Edited by Shahan Araradian, 20 August 2007 - 09:03 PM.

[Anonymouse]

Yea gdavidyan, listen to Shahan Araradian about not getting married before getting a job or business. But let me interpret whhere Shahan Araradian left off. By getting a job or business it means by you getting a job or a business. However, it does not mean working at a company or for someone else or just merely providing labor power. He means you must engage in subsistence farming or have your own little wooden shed where you make your clothes and build your chairs, tables and bed to sleep on, and have a well to fetch water and stuff, because otherwise you will be nothing more than an automaton mired in the fields of misanthropy providing nothing more than labor power for your greedy corporate puppet masters. And by the way, per Shahan Araradian, you should not come to the United States gdavidyan, as that is not what a Shahan Araradian would do, and nor should you. You will be a slave like Neo in The Matrix before Morpheus showed him how deep the rabit hole can go. So be wise my friend. I suggest you take your new cousin-wife and run away into the woods or a farm and start a nice "A Little House on the Prairie" lifestyle, per the recommendations of Shahan Araradian.

Edited by Anonymouse, 20 August 2007 - 09:06 PM.

[Shahan Araradian]

Yea gdavidyan, listen to Shahan Araradian about not getting married before getting a job or business. But let me interpret what Shahan Araradian meant by you getting a job or a business. He doesn't mean working at a company or for someone else or just merely providing labor power. He means you must engage in subsistence farming because otherwise you will be nothing more than an automaton mired in the fields of misanthropy providing nothing more than labor power for your greedy corporate puppet masters. You will be a slave like Neo in The Matrix before Morpheus showed him how deep the rabit hole can go. So be wise my friend. I suggest you take your new cousin-wife and run away into the woods or a farm and start a nice "A Little House on the Prairie" lifestyle, per the recommendations of Shahan Araradian.

I here Artsakh is providing free housing to anyone who moves and bears children. + some stipend per child

[Anonymouse]

I here Artsakh is providing free housing to anyone who moves and bears children. + some stipend per child

Are you planning to marry your cousin? I don't think so. Be quiet Shahan Araradian. This thread is only for serious people considering marrying their cousin. Those who are not concerned with the trivial pursuits of marriage but are much more concerned and consumed with the Satanic place that is United State of America have their own proper thread and forum called International Politics.

[Shahan Araradian]

Are you planning to marry your cousin? I don't think so. Be quiet Shahan Araradian. This thread is only for serious people considering marrying their cousin. Those who are not concerned with the trivial pursuits of marriage but are much more concerned and consumed with the Satanic place that is United State of America have their own proper thread and forum called International Politics.

LOL. So have you made up your mind yet on whether you will marry your cousin Moog?

Edited by Shahan Araradian, 20 August 2007 - 09:38 PM.

[Anonymouse]

LOL. So have you made up your mind yet on whether you will marry your cousin Moog?

I'll be marrying a cousin. Just not sure whether it will be mine or yours. I'm kind of eyeballing your cousin. I will build her a fort with a nice garden that will have all sorts of fruits and vegetables so we can "live off the land" and not be slaves to the corporate power structure that Shahan Araradian so rails against. By the way, if I need advice on marrying your cousin, I will come and post in this thread, or alternatively I can make a new one if by then this one is buried to deep and is too old. My best men will be Shahan Araradian, Arpa Papa, Ara Baliozian and the Bridesmaid will be Nairi (if she decides to come since she doesn't like weddings, but I'll make a formal free dresscode.)

[Shahan Araradian]

I'll be marrying a cousin. Just not sure whether it will be mine or yours. I'm kind of eyeballing your cousin. I will build her a fort with a nice garden that will have all sorts of fruits and vegetables so we can "live off the land" and not be slaves to the corporate power structure that Shahan Araradian so rails against. By the way, if I need advice on marrying your cousin, I will come and post in this thread, or alternatively I can make a new one if by then this one is buried to deep and is too old. My best men will be Shahan Araradian, Arpa Papa, Ara Baliozian and the Bridesmaid will be Nairi (if she decides to come since she doesn't like weddings, but I'll make a formal free dresscode.)

Not a bad choice. I do have attractive cousins... Indeed, all of them. As a wedding gift, I will provide you with the first generation of universally intelligent robots to do your harvesting. All they can do now is pick fruit and tell the difference between an apple and an orange. More coming soon... Another 15 years, fixed-cost perpetual energy. Another 30 years will bring molecular manufacturing...

FYI... The robot wars have begun... We'll have to protect the fort with a few. Armageddon is highly probable shortly thereafter though. (So make sure to have had a lot of good sex before then.)

Edited by Shahan Araradian, 20 August 2007 - 10:02 PM.

[Anonymouse]

Not a bad choice. I do have attractive cousins... Indeed, all of them. As a wedding gift, I will provide you with the first generation of universally intelligent robots to do your harvesting. All they can do now is pick fruit and tell the difference between an apple and an orange. More coming soon... Another 15 years, fixed-cost perpetual energy. Another 30 years will bring molecular manufacturing...

FYI... The robot wars have begun... We'll have to protect the fort with a few. Armageddon is highly probable shortly thereafter though. (So make sure to have had a lot of good sex before then.)

Stop with your trickery and deviations you usurper! Stop engaging in Araradianism and help the world with its fair share of incestual problems. How can you be so selfish? Maybe we can take this all the way to the Supreme Court. Alternatively, we can take it on Maury or Jerry or one of them. But I would reckon an Armenian on one of these shows might be over the top and I would actually fear for gdavidyan and the love of his life with some angry rabies crowds stinking of cigarettes and body odor looking and chasing for them in their salvaged mercedes'.

Edited by Anonymouse, 20 August 2007 - 11:02 PM.

[Shahan Araradian]

Stop with your trickery and deviations you usurper! Stop engaging in Araradianism and help the world with its fair share of incestual problems. How can you be so selfish? Maybe we can take this all the way to the Supreme Court. Alternatively, we can take it on Maury or Jerry or one of them. But I would reckon an Armenian on one of these shows might be over the top and I would actually fear for gdavidyan and the love of his life with some angry rabies crowds stinking of cigarettes and body odor looking and chasing for them in their salvaged mercedes'.

Moog, the masses will awaken soon and in the final epoch will be armed with universal artificial intelligence, free energy, and molecular manufacturing.

All this talk of incest is non-sensical. What matters between now and the end of the final human epoch is maximization of sex (and the usurping of capitalist/bourgeois property by force).

[gdavidyan]

Just for your information, I don't have that same loving caring family you may have that I can turn to for help. I receive no help from parents. And no, I do not live at home and I do not rely on my parents at all. I have all my expenses covered, my own place that I only live in, not that room mate bullshit, my car, my motorcycle, my school and all my expenses, and I have two jobs.

I appreciate the advice people give me when they try to help, or when they tell me to rethink it, I rethinked it many times and I believe the right decision is the decision I am choosing to do.

I don't care about what the church says, what the church does, and bible does not mention you may not marry a cousin.

[aSoldier]

I don't care about what the church says, what the church does, and bible does not mention you may not marry a cousin.

Bible study time

Numbers 36:11
Zelophehad's daughters—Mahlah, Tirzah, Hoglah, Milcah and Noah—married their cousins on their father's side.

1 Chronicles 23:22
Eleazar died without having sons: he had only daughters. Their cousins, the sons of Kish, married them.

[gdavidyan]

Thank you aSoldier

Edited by gdavidyan, 23 August 2007 - 06:11 PM.

[gdavidyan]

By the way, Anonymouse, you're a really fun guy man, I like you, not like I like my cousin though.

[gdavidyan]

Shahan, let's just back up a little bit, and let me tell you some info. I, will have an easier life with her because I live off on my own anyway. No, I'm not one of those psycho, emo rebel kids that go off and just do the opposite of what their parents want. I'm me, and I believe this will be the right thing for me. I'm not saying it's going to be easy, I know it's going to be hard for the first couple years, but I live in a state where people get married really early, and the University I go to has really good programs for married couples. And she graduated from a nursing university in Armenia, with a certificate that validates her diploma her in the U.S. It will be embarassing that my wife will be making more money than me for a while, but that's okay, because I love her.

[kakachik77]

Shahan, let's just back up a little bit, and let me tell you some info. I, will have an easier life with her because I live off on my own anyway. No, I'm not one of those psycho, emo rebel kids that go off and just do the opposite of what their parents want. I'm me, and I believe this will be the right thing for me. I'm not saying it's going to be easy, I know it's going to be hard for the first couple years, but I live in a state where people get married really early, and the University I go to has really good programs for married couples. And she graduated from a nursing university in Armenia, with a certificate that validates her diploma her in the U.S. It will be embarassing that my wife will be making more money than me for a while, but that's okay, because I love her.

are you in Utah?