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[THOTH]

Anoushik -

I'm very happy for you (even better then a birthday - this pretty much is only going to happen to you once in your life). What a story you have. Please - write it all down oneday - and soon. This is something you should pass on to your children. Again - I feel very happy for you - a big day!

[hyebruin]

congrats anoushik jan ....aaaah, when will tata become a u.s. citizen so that i can go to more of his concerts???

[Sip]

And Sip, wow... what COULD Armenia offer you that U.S.A doesn't? Is that ALL it's about? And you're talking about national pride? ............... never mind.... ok! 

I didn't really understand what you and Thoth were trying to say. The question still remains ... what can a "republic of Armenia" offer to me than the US can't?

If you want me to rephrase in other ways ... why would I look forward or long for becoming the "citizen of Armenia" as opposed to being a US citizen?

[Stormig]

Sip, people are counting their chicks before they're hatched. You have to go and see for yourself if you like it before you decide such. It is likely that there is something Armenia has to offer, at least for some people. Raffi Kojian lives in Armenia half the time. In your case, the one thing I can think of would be good and healthy food.

[Shahumyan]

the reason i made my comment is because ive seen people go to USA, think its great, then they cant get a 1 week break to go on holiday, and they have to work 10 hours a day....if u are happy to be a member of such a society, i feel sorry for u

[Dan]

five years ago won the Green Card lottery

haha, good stuff.. actually, I applied for that this year...

why does it take so long to get U.S. citizenship? it doesn't take THAT long to get Canadian citizenship.............

[Azat]

And why do you think those people who can't get vacation and work 10, 12, 16 hours a day don't just get up and move to Sweden for instance?

I just keep wondering why do more people come to the US than leave if it is SUCH a horrible place and they have no workers rights or anything? And forget Armenians I am talking in general.

[Azat]

haha, good stuff.. actually, I applied for that this year...

why does it take so long to get U.S. citizenship? it doesn't take THAT long to get Canadian citizenship.............

because we are more special. hehehe. just kidding

[Armat]

the reason i made my comment is because ive seen people go to USA, think its great, then they cant get a 1 week break to go on holiday, and they have to work 10 hours a day....if u are happy to be a member of such a society, i feel sorry for u

I am sorry! Did you read anywhere people succeeded to better their lives by sitting on the couch and drinking beer and reading about socialism! Come on get over the pretentiousness. I hardly have time to paint or have money to go exotic places but I am not complaining! This is what freedom is about. You make whatever you can out of your life instead of some shitty idea of some system presetting it on a silver platter. This country is about making it! People work their asses off because they have a chance to enjoy rest of their lives and not feeling sorry for themselves. Enough said!

[Anoushik]

Well said, Armat.

Shahumyan, I lived in Sweden for two and a half years.

First, if you're going to live outside your own country you better live in a country that's not nationalist. And the only countries thus would mean the U.S., Canada, and Australia. In European countries people over there hate you no matter who you are. In school and sometimes on the streets we were called "svartskalle", meaning black skull. It's considered to be a very offensive term. But that's not to say the Swedes are bad people. They are just tired of seeing immigrants coming to their country. After all, they are the ones who pay the very high taxes so the immigrants can get all the welfare benefits. (We actually befriended some excellent Swedish families and still keep in touch with postcards after five years!)

Second, in a socialist country the life is very boring. Did you know that Sweden has the highest suicide rates among other developed countries? Imagine that you know no matter what you do, whether you work or not or don't even study, the government is going to take care of you? After just one year of employment, if you lose your job you will get 80% of that income from the government for the rest of you life. So you know you're safe in terms of not being homeless, but what kind of life is that? There is nothing to look forward too that's why people kill themselves. After a while in a country like that you begin to lose your identity and start to question your purpose in life.

Also, even if Sweden, or a country like Sweden that's a socialist country and no one is considered poor by Armenian standards, most of the people consider themselved to be lower-middle class. It's really hard to advance to higher income. The taxes are huge and the income is not much. And everything is very expensive - clothing, cars, etc. So next time Shahumyan, I suggest you do a bit research (or more research in your case) before you come and tell people you should feel sorry for them to live in the U.S. Like I said before, I am very proud to be a citizen of the United States.

[Anoushik]

Oh, I forgot to say that most people choose to work all their lifes instead of getting welfare from the government, but the problem is that Sweden has a very high rate of unemployment. Everyone dreams of finding a decent job so that's why a lot of Swedish themselves come to the U.S. to work. Now, why would they do that if they could get free money from the government? Hmm...

[Armo77]

the reason i made my comment is because ive seen people go to USA, think its great, then they cant get a 1 week break to go on holiday, and they have to work 10 hours a day....if u are happy to be a member of such a society, i feel sorry for u

Where do ALL of you get your information at?!?!?! I get 18 paid days a year off. I work maybe 30 hours a week yet get paid for 50 hours.. Hell yeah I am proud to be a part of THIS society. And guess what.... I have this ENTIRE paid week off work to spend with my family for the holidays..

P.S. Get a college education.. then maybe you would not be forced to do such hard back breaking work. Work Smarter, not harder.

Edited by Armo77, 21 December 2003 - 02:55 PM.

[hyebruin]

regardless of where someone lives or where someone is from, once they move to a new place they should adapt to the changes and adopt the new culture of the land they're in; this doesn't mean forgetting their roots but they should drop this "us and them" mentality---this is the one thing that irks me more than anything else about armos!!---if they don't like it they should crawl back to where they came from!!---living in the u.s. with anti-american sentiment and pro-communist ideations...it really is disgusting!! why bother getting a green card and trying to stay here legally and munch off of our tax dollars and get public assistance or medicaid---these people deserve to live in a country where electricity is not a 24/7 phenomenon!! ---bedk-eh khonarvehn ays yergreeh baareknerren! pokharen vohr goroz goroz dadarg khosen u boghoken!!--- america is certainly not a 'perfect' country, but it's the best damn one in the world!! where else would you see an austrian immigrant go on to become governor of a big state???

Edited by hyebruin, 21 December 2003 - 03:03 PM.

[Armo77]

where else would you see an austrian immigrant go on to become governor of a big state???

not to mention my entire city block is made of of every nationality known to man. Where else can you find something like that?

[Anoushik]

I just voted in the California Primaries. Wanted to get it out of the way before I start my day.

Those of you who can, please go and vote. Again, the system is not perfect but it's still a democracy and the one most important right that we have as citizens is the right to vote.

[gevo27]

I just wanted to express my happiness for becoming a citizen of the U.S. Despite its defects the United States is the best country in the world and the more I think about it the prouder I feel at having finally become a U.S. citizen.

Hey anoushik jan, sorry for not Congratulating you, this post was before i joined.. lol..

So, Congratulations.. its one step up in this country.. i guess. lol..

[gurgen]

if they don't like it they should crawl back to where they came from

So if you live in another country you have no right at all to criticize the government?

where else would you see an austrian immigrant go on to become governor of a big state???

Yeah, where else could a musclehead with the brains of a peanut become governor? Only in the US

Edited by gurgen, 02 March 2004 - 01:19 PM.

[gevo27]

So if you live in another country you have no right at all to criticize the government?



Yeah, where else could a musclehead with the brains of a peanut become governor? Only in the US

LMAO!!! ok, atleast its a good sizedjuicy peanut Gurgen.... lol..

and criticising the government, and stating over and over again they hate this nation.. there is a gap in there.. you see?? lol...

[gurgen]

Yes, sure I see.
But one should be able to express his opinion and I get the feeling that in the US when people say they don't agree with a certain policy they get the label 'anti-American' or 'non-patriotic' very fast.

[Sip]

It depends on what the opinion is ... for example, I think these PETA people are dumb arse moronic idiots. But they are exercising their American rights to bitch and complain about every stupid thing.