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#1 Azat

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Posted 19 July 2004 - 12:39 PM

Okay everyone. Lets see if we can come up with 100 reasons why Bush should stay or go. When naming your reasons please number them in the following format. Pro - P1, P2, P3, P4... Against A1, A2, A3... Please don’t make the topics to broad and general like "Economy" or "Environment"

okay all, your turn. and lets try to keep on the subject this time and feel free to poke holes on any of the reasons if you feel that they are wrong.

I will start
A1. - He is the first president since Hoover where the number of employed has gone down in her presidency
A2. - Women’s right to choose. He is most likely going to bring it up t the courts again the women’s rights to choose.

P1. - Tax cuts.

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Posted 19 July 2004 - 12:56 PM

Azat why 100? how about 124 reasons? why Bush must go

1. Cut the Veteran’s Administration budget by $25 billion as he began his war in Iraq.
2. Reneged on a promise to increase funding for education and failed to fund the so-called “No Child Left Behind” Act.
3. Promised $15 billion in AIDS funding for Africa in 2003 State of the Union Address then – oops – left it out of the budget submitted a few weeks later.

4. In May 2001, Bush gave $43 Million to the Taliban.
5. Repealed the Alternative Minimum Tax for corporations, which was enacted in 1987, and REFUNDED all taxes paid, by corporations under the AMT since its inception.
6. Won’t reveal who participated in Cheney’s energy policy meetings. [Enron, Enron and Enron???]
7. Opposed affirmative action at Michigan State in the Supreme Court case.
8. Charles Pickering, Pricilla Owens, Miguel Estrada. Packing the courts with extremists.
9. Appointed Elliott Abrams, who was convicted during Reagan administration in Iran-Contra, to the National Security Council.
10. Sealed documents from the Reagan and Bush administrations that would have revealed illegal dealings in Iran-Contra.
11. Cut federal spending on libraries by $39 million.
12. Cut $35 million in funding for doctors to get advanced pediatric training.
13. Cut by 50% funding for research into renewable energy sources.
14. Revoked rules that reduced the acceptable levels of arsenic in drinking water.
15. Blocked rules that would require federal agencies to offer bilingual assistance to non-English speaking persons. This, from a candidate who would readily fire-up his Spanish-speaking skills in front of would-be Hispanic voters.
16. Proposed to eliminate new marine protections for the Channel Islands and the coral reefs of northwest Hawaii (San Francisco Chronicle, April 6, 2001).
17. Cut funding by 28% for research into cleaner, more efficient cars and trucks.
18. Suspended rules that would have strengthened the government's ability to deny contracts to companies that violated workplace safety, environmental and other federal laws.
19. OK'd Interior Department appointee Gale Norton to send out letters to state officials soliciting suggestions for opening up national monuments for oil and gas drilling, coal mining, and foresting.
20. Appointed John Negroponte - an un-indicted high-level Iran Contra figure to the post of United Nations Ambassador.
21. Abandoned a campaign pledge to invest $100 million for rain forest conservation.
22. Reduced by 86% the Community Access Program for public hospitals, clinics and providers of care for people without insurance.
23. Rescinded a proposal to increase public access to information about the potential consequences resulting from chemical plant accidents.
24. Suspended rules that would require hard rock miners to clean up sites on Western public lands.
25. Cut $60 million from a Boy's and Girl's Clubs of America program for public housing.
26. Proposed to eliminate a federal program, designed and successfully used in Seattle, to help communities prepare for natural disasters.
27. Pulled out of the 1997 Kyoto Treaty global warming agreement.
28. Cut $200 million of work force training for dislocated workers.
29. Eliminated funding for the Wetlands Reserve Program, which encourages farmers to maintain wetlands habitat on their property.
30. Cut program to provide childcare to low-income families as they move from welfare to work.
31. Cut a program that provided prescription contraceptive coverage to federal employees (though it still pays for Viagra).
32. Cut $700 million in capital funds for repairs in public housing.
33. Appointed Otto Reich - an un-indicted high-level Iran Contra figure - to Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs.
34. Cut Environmental Protection Agency budget by $500 million.
35. Proposed to curtail the ability of groups to sue in order to get an animal placed on the Endangered Species List.
36. Rescinded the rule that mandated increased energy-saving efficiency regulations for central air conditioners and heat pumps.
37. Repealed workplace ergonomic rules designed to improve worker health and safety.
38. Abandoned campaign pledge to regulate carbon dioxide, the waste gas that contributes to global warming.
39. Banned federal aid to international family planning programs that offer abortion counseling with other independent funds.
40. Closed White House Office for Women's Health Initiatives and Outreach.
41. Nominated David Lauriski - ex-mining company executive - to post of Assistant Secretary of Labor for Mine Safety and Health.
42. OK'd Interior Secretary Gale Norton to go forth with a controversial plan to auction oil and gas development tracts off the coast of eastern Florida.
43. Announced intention to open up Montana's Lewis and Clark National Forest to oil and drilling.
44. Proposes to re-draw boundaries of nation's monuments, which would technically allow oil and gas drilling "outside" of national monuments.
45. Gutted White House AIDS Office.
46. Renegotiating free trade agreement with Jordan to eliminate worker’s rights and safeguards for the environment.
47. Will no longer seek guidance from The American Bar Association in recommendations for the federal judiciary appointments.
48. Appointed recycling foe Lynn Scarlett as Undersecretary of the Interior.
49. Took steps to abolish the White House Council on Environmental Quality.
50. Cut the Community Oriented Policing Services program.
51. Allowed Interior Secretary Gale Norton to shelve citizen-led grizzly bear re-introduction plan scheduled for Idaho and Montana wilderness.
52. Continues to hold up federal funding for stem cell research projects.
53. Makes sure convicted misdemeanor drug users cannot get financial aid for college, though convicted murderers can.
54. Refused to fund continued cleanup of uranium-slag heap in Utah.
55. Refused to fund continued litigation of the government's tobacco company lawsuit.
56. Proposed a $2 trillion tax cut, of which 43% will go to the wealthiest 1% of Americans.
57. Signed a bill making it harder for poor and middle-class Americans to file for bankruptcy, even in the case of daunting medical bills.
58. Appointed a Vice President quoted as saying "If you want to do something about carbon dioxide emissions, then you ought to build nuclear power plants." (Vice President %@!#$& Cheney on "Meet the Press.")
59. Appointed Diana "There is no gender gap in pay" Roth to the Council of Economic Advisers. (Boston Globe, March 28, 2001.)
60. Appointed Kay Cole James - an opponent of affirmative action - to direct the Office of Personnel Management.
61. Cut $15.7 million earmarked for states to investigate cases of child abuse and neglect.
62. Helped kill a law designed to make it tougher for teenagers to get credit cards.
63. Proposed elimination of the "Reading is Fundamental" program that gives free books to poor children.
64. Is pushing for development of small nuclear arm to attack deeply buried targets and weapons, which would violate the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty.
65. Proposes to nominate Jeffrey Sutton - attorney responsible for the recent case weakening the Americans with Disabilities Act - to federal appeals court judgeship.
66. Proposes to reverse regulation protecting 60 million acres of national forest from logging and road building.
67. Eliminated funding for the "We the People" education program, which taught School children about the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and citizenship.
68. Appointed John Bolton - who opposes nonproliferation treaties and the U.N. - to Under-Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security.
69. Nominated Linda Fisher - an executive with Monsanto - for the number-two job at the Environmental Protection Agency.
70. Nominated Michael McConnell - leading critic of the separation of church and state - to a federal judgeship.
71. Nominated Terrence Boyle - ardent opponent of civil rights - to a federal judgeship.
72. Canceled 2004 deadline for automakers to develop prototype high mileage cars.
73. Nominated Harvey Pitts - lawyer for teen sex video distributor - to head SEC.
74. Nominated John Walters - strong opponent of prison drug treatment programs - for Drug Czar. (Washington Post, May 16, 2001.)
75. Nominated J. Steven Giles - an oil and coal lobbyist - for Deputy Secretary of the Interior.
76. Nominated Bennett Raley - who advocates repealing the Endangered Species Act - for Assistant Secretary for Water and Science.
77. Is seeking the dismissal of class-action lawsuit filed in the U.S. against Japan by Asian women forced to work as sex slaves during WWII.
78. Earmarked $4 million in new federal grant money for HIV and drug abuse prevention programs to go only to religious groups and not secular equivalents.
79. Reduced by 40% the Low Income Home Assistance Program for low-income individuals who need assistance paying energy bills.
80. Nominated Ted Olson - who has repeatedly lied about his involvement with the Scaiffe-funded "Arkansas Project" to bring down Bill Clinton - for Solicitor General.
81. Proposes to ease permit process - including environmental considerations - for refinery, nuclear and hydroelectric dam construction. (Washington Post, May 18, 2001.)
82. Proposes to give government the authority to take private property through eminent domain for power lines.
83. Proposes that $1.2 billion in funding for alternative renewable energy come from selling oil and gas lease tracts in the Alaska National Wildlife Reserve.
84. Appoints Army Secretary Thomas White who is being investigated for selling Enron stock just before Enron posted losses. White was a former Enron executive who is alleged to have dumped his stock after being contacted by an Enron official.
85. Took 3 months of vacation of first 9 months in office as president.
86. Had absolutely no concern about terrorism before 9-11.
87. Many of his big campaign supporters are crooks who doctored their books in order to screw investors.
88. Wants to fulfill a personal vendetta against Hussein causing a huge and costly war with destabilization of the Middle East and Russia and china siding with the Arabs.
89. Wants to kill minimum wage and its enforcement so that people work at slave wages for his corporate supporters.
90. Wants to take away benefits from the elderly and children in order to compensate for giant tax cuts for super rich.
91. Gave the Taliban 38 million in may, 2001 so that they would allow pipelines for his buddies at Enron.
92. Wants to create the most polluted country on earth by eliminating anti-pollution laws so that his super rich factory owner supporters can get richer.
93. Exploiting 911 families to justify NMD/SDI. Nuclear deterrence is still working against China, Pakistan's Islamic dictatorship, and all 7 Rogue states. It worked in Gulf War 1 against Saddam; has worked since 1991 and will continue to work indefinitely just like N. Korea since 1953.
94. Pushed for USA Patriot Act.
95. Creation of Deptartment of Homeland Security. During Hitler's reign, Germany was protected by the HSA, the Reichshauptsicherheitamt, which roughly translates into "Main Office of Homeland Security."
96. Exploited 911 families' pain & suffering in order to justify naked aggression against Saddam's conventional and pathetic military forces even though they're still contained within Iraq. Gulf War2 = Pearl Harbor2 = Schlieffen Plan2 = Barbarossa2.
97. Bush tried to appoint Henry Kissinger as head of the September 11 commission.
98. Used Homeland Security Act to protect Eli Lilly from autism suits.
99. Gave $95 million to North Korea for nuclear program and waived the part of the agreement that required inspections to ensure no weapons grade plutonium had been hidden away.
100. Abrogated the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty while squandering billions in chasing the chimera of national missile defense.
101. Undermined the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty while expressing support for testing new nuclear weapons and refusing to rule out a nuclear first strike against non-nuclear nations.
102. Derailed negotiations to improve international inspection systems to monitor and prevent the production of biological and chemical weapons.
103. Repudiated an international scientific consensus and withdrawn from global efforts to curb global warming.
104. Renounced the U.S. signature on the treaty to create an International Criminal Court and campaigned aggressively to exempt all U.S. personnel from its jurisdiction, even threatening to veto UN peacekeeping operations if it does not get its way.
105. Dismissed the need for broad international cooperation in its war on terrorism, preferring to act alone or with selected allies.
106. Treated human rights as an obstacle to rather than an essential component of civic security at home and abroad.
107. Undermined the Oslo peace process, condoned the Israeli reoccupation of Palestinian territory, and rejected UN Security Council resolutions supported by previous administrations that provide a framework for conflict resolution containing strict security guarantees for both Israel and the Palestinians.
108. Slighted global efforts to mobilize an offensive against the spread of AIDS, instead privileging the financial interests of pharmaceutical companies over the need for affordable life-saving medicines.
109. Suspended U.S. support for the UN's family planning programs and balked at supporting the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW).
110. Continued to pursue a global economic agenda that is of, by, and for transnational corporations and blocked efforts to build international rules to enforce labor and consumer rights and environmental protections.
111. Bush team prevented thousands of eligible voters in Florida from voting. That is how the elections were stolen.
112. Bush deceives Americans about the terrorists’ motives to shield U.S. foreign policies from public scrutiny; his first concern is the special interests he serves.
113. Cynically and callously exploiting "terrorism," most of all with regard to the memory of those killed or injured in the September 11 attacks, as well as concern for their loved ones, as a means of (1) justifying his and his administration's attacks on the Constitution and on Americans' most basic rights and (2) diverting public attention from his absolute incompetence--and utter lack of concern--over the very real economic and financial terrorism being visited upon millions of middle-class, working-class, and poor Americans while padding the pockets of corporations and the rich!
114. Former President Clinton requested numerous meetings with George W following the election to discuss making terrorist activities a priority of the new administration. Finally a staff underling rudely gave Clinton a hearing. The information, which was for the President’s ears, only was never passed on.
115. Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.
116. Went AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard for 18 months making him ineligible to be commander-in-chief.
117. Allowed looting to continue in Baghdad and around Iraq while guarding only the oil ministry.
118. Because over 4000 innocent civilians were murdered in Iraq and he said that counting them didn't matter.
119. Because art and antiquities were stolen from the Baghdad Museum by professional art thieves who allowed to operate and smuggle the objects out of the country for private collectors.
120. Because hospitals were looted in Iraq without the army being given any direction to protect them.
121. Because nuclear facilities were looted in Iraq without the army being given any direction to protect them.
122. Because schools were looted in Iraq without the army being given any direction to protect them.
123. Because antiquities were looted from the national library without the army being given any direction to protect them.
124. Because no weapons of mass destruction - the excuse for going to war - were found.


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Posted 19 July 2004 - 01:25 PM

Ed did you work today?Looong list biggrin.gif

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Posted 19 July 2004 - 02:22 PM

A(k+1): He actually has said: "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."

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Posted 19 July 2004 - 02:30 PM

Come on Ed, I could have copied that list as well. I wanted people to respond.

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Posted 19 July 2004 - 03:09 PM

QUOTE
"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."


Such a TITAN of thought!!! God Bless him abundantly!

I think president Bush is an emanation of the American people. smile.gif

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Posted 19 July 2004 - 03:27 PM

The question I like to ask is, in what he thinks we should succeed and what the heck does WE mean, we as a Nation? Or WE as his cronies??


Azat Jan, my apologies, uncharacteristic of me I did not post the URL

But that’s just only fraction of the reasons he shouldn’t be reelected, look at it this way, USA never been so alienated thru out of her history. One very good reason he shouldn’t come back is when asked "who had made the most influence in your life? Replied Bush "Jesus Christ" now what kind of a dialog is this for the politician, he acting like a crusader rather then someone who represents a country, arrogance is in all level of his administration as well as among those who support this president.

I'm a liberal in my views, but my stand plays no role in evaluation Bush and this shameful administration, even Carter will be ahead in polls if conducted today as a comparison.

Edited by Edward, 19 July 2004 - 03:32 PM.


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Posted 20 July 2004 - 03:53 AM

I am one of those who think that Bush should definitely win the reelection. Before you start a lynch mob, let me explain. First of all, he shouldn't get away with this so lightly. Starting two wars and invading one country and to get away so easily is almost a reward for him. He should have to face all the consequences including the one for not cleaning the mess he has started. I feel sorry for all those Iraqis who have to prepare for a civil war after seeing their country disintegrate in front of their eyes. The administration is so desperate that they are trying to find "evidence" linking Iran with Al Qaida. He need not to be worried, the price for a barrel of oil will decrease before election time, just as the Saudis and the Iranian Oil Minister has promised. Let's watch him crash and burn and then prepare for his downfall afterwards.

P.S. I will vote Nader wink.gif

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Posted 20 July 2004 - 10:32 AM

QUOTE (Edward @ Jul 19 2004, 03:27 PM)
look at it this way, USA never been so alienated thru out of her history. One very good reason he shouldn’t come back is when asked

Simply wrong. You musta failed US History in 10th grade.

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Posted 20 July 2004 - 10:41 AM

P3- He has morals, as much as you people call him a killer, murderer, liar.. u all dont know anymore about what he really thinks than i do. But if he does not get re-elected then this country will start the slide down to complete immorality... and i dont think i wanna list what is immoral or not. But you people so against him say things you hear in the media, and the media has been against Bush since he was running for election the first time. Base your knowledge of him on what he is accused of, then you have more chanc of being wrong than right.. thus talking about this topic is irrelevant. You should read books where the authors have been there with him, seen his thaughts, his views.. his actions.. NOT what the media says. That is one reason i stopped watchign television.. NOTHING is no more than 5% real.. especially in the news.. its all BS.. and every politician is will be demed a liar, because they make the promis and even if they try and try but dont succed, they will be stamped with the seal of a liar and attacked easily by the media.

SOmeone once said "The Media is the Devil" it was a joke, but its true.

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Posted 20 July 2004 - 10:45 AM

QUOTE (Edward @ Jul 19 2004, 12:56 PM)
Azat why 100? how about 124 reasons? why Bush must go

1. Cut the Veteran’s Administration budget by $25 billion as he began his war in Iraq. .....................124. Because no weapons of mass destruction - the excuse for going to war - were found.

This list is HOrrible. I can come up with more things that make anyone bad... whoever wrote this had to much time on there hands, and was filled with hate, and very very innacurate and one sided ofcourse.. its completely flawed... and no, i wont debunk every claim.. if it was one or two.. lol.. maybe.. but goodluck.. good day you haters smile.gif

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Posted 20 July 2004 - 11:03 AM

QUOTE (gevo27 @ Jul 20 2004, 08:32 AM)
Simply wrong. You musta failed US History in 10th grade.

And you my little spoiled friend, failed basic manners grade when growing up, maybe it was not thought nor are you familiar with it. What the hell is this supposs to mean? Discussions are conducted, and views are exchanged in civil manner, take caution with your tone and the way you respond, don’t get personal with me or with any other member of this forum.

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Posted 20 July 2004 - 11:03 AM

QUOTE (gevo27 @ Jul 20 2004, 10:32 AM)
Simply wrong. You musta failed US History in 10th grade.

Any other examples?

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Posted 20 July 2004 - 11:14 AM

QUOTE (gevo27 @ Jul 20 2004, 09:32 AM)
Simply wrong. You musta failed US History in 10th grade.

Maybe you can point to few examples when this has happened.

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Posted 20 July 2004 - 11:22 AM

Bush is such a lovely president. His morals led him to cut the veterans' administration budget and bomb out Afghanistan and Iraq while he yakked about God and what-not. Hopefully someday he will also instate the virginity test that Turkey is outlawing. But if you read books about him from his friends and family, you will find out that he and his cronies didn't actually mean to do any of these things. It's the thought that counts. I'm sure Milosevic was also a very pious Christian despite all he did.

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Posted 20 July 2004 - 09:16 PM

QUOTE (Edward @ Jul 20 2004, 11:03 AM)
And you my little spoiled friend, failed basic manners grade when growing up, maybe it was not thought nor are you familiar with it. What the hell is this supposs to mean? Discussions are conducted, and views are exchanged in civil manner, take caution with your tone and the way you respond, don’t get personal with me or with any other member of this forum.

Why do you think i am getting personal.. i pointed out very specifically that you are WRONG... and you are.. the easiest explanation should be very very apparant.. think back to the vietnam war.... how was the country then? and how is it now? and ofcourse we did have a CIVIL war.. and yes.. there was even a time where the law was barely inforced.. and the list goes on.. so i dont make claims without explanations.. just this was very very simple to me.. so i must have been correct in some ways.. u didnt do well in us history..

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Posted 20 July 2004 - 09:17 PM

QUOTE (Stormig @ Jul 20 2004, 11:22 AM)
But if you read books about him from his friends and family, you will find out that he and his cronies didn't actually mean to do any of these things.

What this supposed to be in response to? did i say ONLY or SPECIFICALLY his family and friends?...

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Posted 20 July 2004 - 09:21 PM

Does anyone here have ANY grounds on making any claims about this man.. has anyone done ANY research on him and his true intentions and his actions..

I hope you all know what the media can do to news.. all you people thus far have based your claims on information you have heard/read on second hand sites and televisions news reports.. all TV cares for is ratings.. they will say ANYTHING... its rediculous.... anything based on the media, or .com sites is not acceptible in a real discussion.. read a book. quote governmental reports.. and real stories.. not stories skewed to make ratings..

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Posted 21 July 2004 - 12:08 AM

Gevo, I think you haven't been concentrating well enough on "alienation."
I could be wrong, but how could the U.S. at the height of the Cold War have been as alienated as it is today for Vietnam? In fact, the U.S. was not alone in Vietnam in the beginning - it simply was the last to leave, by years. I don't know about media coverage back then, but I've read that a lot of people "woke up" with My Lai. And back then you could say "commie" and have a lot of sympathy - today the U.S. and the U.K. have to hide behind this so-called "war on terrorism," except they're not really fooling too many (counting Americans out, who have bought the story "hook, line, and sinker")... Someone who was around then could tell it better, I'm sure. And today only a handful of arsewipes are accompanying "the Coalition"...
Additionally, you are right about Amerikanski media's awkwardness, I'm sure, but in the long run, in the broader scheme of things, for the wrong reasons. Just watch BBC or TV5 and then switch to Fox News and you see a whole world of difference. Fox News sounds like it is catering to "people with special needs."

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Posted 21 July 2004 - 01:31 AM

QUOTE (gevo27 @ Jul 20 2004, 08:16 PM)
Why do you think i am getting personal.. i pointed out very specifically that you are WRONG... and you are.. the easiest explanation should be very very apparant.. think back to the vietnam war.... how was the country then? and how is it now? and ofcourse we did have a CIVIL war.. and yes.. there was even a time where the law was barely inforced.. and the list goes on.. so i dont make claims without explanations.. just this was very very simple to me.. so i must have been correct in some ways.. u didnt do well in us history..

Gevo,
Only because you told us to remember out 10th grade history I want you to brushen up on your English skills and reread Edwards comment again. If it is not clear, go ahead and reread it again, and again and again and again and maybe someday you will understand what he was saying...




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