McCain? McCain is completely insane. The North Vietnamese probably f**ked with his mind or something. If he became president and actually got to do the things that he proposed, Russia may have no choice but to engage in a nuclear conflict. McCain is a real bastard anyway. Fact is they all are a bunch of Jew-controlled pupets. Those who aren't, don't get to debate. God forbid anyone decent would get a word out to the sheeple, it may cause a moral revolution.
Election 2004
#181
Posted 04 November 2004 - 10:46 PM
McCain? McCain is completely insane. The North Vietnamese probably f**ked with his mind or something. If he became president and actually got to do the things that he proposed, Russia may have no choice but to engage in a nuclear conflict. McCain is a real bastard anyway. Fact is they all are a bunch of Jew-controlled pupets. Those who aren't, don't get to debate. God forbid anyone decent would get a word out to the sheeple, it may cause a moral revolution.
#182
Posted 04 November 2004 - 10:52 PM
Too bad they don't have anyone like Chocholina. I would have vote for her. At least she was world wide recognized offical prostitute.
#184
Posted 05 November 2004 - 02:20 PM
Did any of you wonder what ever happened with Ohio and that certain de javu we call "A Decisive-State hold-up"? Well I did, and you bet your cotton knickers I looked into it. Guess what I found? The articles are a bit long but definitely worth looking into. I am all for technology advancement but I do believe that not everything must be replaced with machines until they are perfected if even... So in order for the public not to suspect something fishy about a lack of agreement between the popular votes and electoral the second time around a whole new plan must have been devised. One which is very difficult to detect, Americans haven't had a voting problem for centuries, all of a sudden two elections in a row there is a huge discrepancy, that alone makes a person wonder. Ok, enough of this rant, let's proceed with the articles.
First we have this...
DIEBOLD’S TOUCH-SCREEN VOTING SYSTEM A SUCCESS IN LORAIN COUNTY, OHIO
NORTH CANTON, Ohio - Diebold, Incorporated (NYSE: DBD) today announced that voters in Lorain County, Ohio, successfully used Diebold Election Systems’ proven AccuVote-TSTM touch-screen voting systems to cast ballots in primary races for mayor, council seats and two ballot issues. Lorain County election officials evaluated Diebold Election System’s election software and hardware in their search for a comprehensive solution to replace the county’s current punch card system with technology that meets the requirements of the new Help America Vote Act.
http://www.diebold.c...isp.asp?id=2961
Then we have...
It's a culture clash between the election world, which prizes reliability, and computer scientists, who obsess over security
By Steven Levy
Newsweek
June 28 issue - It's now official: Walden O'Dell is no longer raising funds for George W. Bush. Why should you care? That was Walden O'Dell's attitude last year, when he promised, in his role as rainmaker for Ohio's presidential re-election campaign, to deliver the state to the incumbent. To his surprise, he learned that lots of people did indeed care—once they realized that his day job was running Diebold, a company that makes electronic-voting devices used by millions of voters. So it was prudent for Diebold to adopt a new policy that banned its executives from outside political work, adopted months ago but formally announced just recently.
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So Diebold bought one of the pioneering companies in the field, and now its elections division is the leader among several firms selling touch-screen devices. It won contracts to supply all of Georgia and Maryland. O'Dell has a stack of documents and video testimonials attesting to the successful elections conducted by his machines (he didn't mention the March 2 debacle in California, where many polls opened late because the devices wouldn't boot correctly).
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A less rosy perspective emerged last year after a report by Avi Rubin, a Johns Hopkins University professor who got hold of Diebold voting-machine code that was unintentionally exposed on the Internet. He found that the security in the machines was "amateurish" and easily hackable. His findings bolstered the contentions of a growing movement, spearheaded by computer scientists, that the machines are "black boxes" providing no assurance that the vote cast is the one reported, and could in theory be manipulated to swipe an election with total stealth. A "recount" in that case would rely on the same software that secretly swiped the votes to begin with, and simply verify the theft.
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But the certification process, says California Secretary of State Kevin Shelley, is "very deficient." He charges that the companies hired to examine the software have a conflict of interest, as they work for the manufacturers. (Shelley, believing that Diebold misled the state during the process, has asked the attorney general to look into possible civil and criminal penalties. Diebold denies misconduct.) In any case, computer scientists like Rubin believe that the companies poring over the code would probably fail to discover any well-written secret subroutines that could steal votes.
O'Dell claims to be "agnostic" on the necessity of providing voters with evidence that their choices are the ones reflected in the count. But the possibility that a future president can attain office mounted on a Trojan horse isn't a philosophical issue: it's a threat to democracy. It's nice to know that Wally O'Dell is no longer working to elect one candidate in particular. It would be even nicer to know, beyond any doubt, that his voting machines weren't, either.
http://msnbc.msn.com.../site/newsweek/
Notice the dates, this was prior to this nail biting election.
And finally we have this...
Ohio Legislature
By LEO SHANE III
NH Columbus Bureau
COLUMBUS -- Democratic leaders want a major Republican fund-raiser blocked from becoming the state's new voting machines supplier, saying his presence puts in doubt the fairness of all Ohio elections.
Wally O'Dell, CEO of Diebold Inc., this week sent out letters to central Ohio Republicans asking them to raise $10,000 in donations in time for a Sept. 26 Ohio Republican Party event at his home.
His company, which specializes in security and election machinery, is one of three under consideration to supply new, electronic voting machines to replace punch card machines still in use in 71 Ohio counties.
http://www.blackcomm...er_vote_pf.html
http://blackboxvoting.com/
Can you blame me for being suspicious? This has a foul smell of the Watergate.
#185
Posted 05 November 2004 - 03:05 PM
Edited by Armen, 06 November 2004 - 10:39 PM.
#186
Posted 05 November 2004 - 10:00 PM
#188
Posted 06 November 2004 - 02:13 AM
i say ~75% - Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
America will be ready for a change after bushig is don in 4 years - thats if he can stay in office for 4 years
#189
Posted 06 November 2004 - 02:20 AM
a few years ago, you said our next governor is going to be Arnold, and he was.
you said kocharian is going to be reelected, and so he was.
you said bush will be reelected, and so he was.
now this...
#190
Posted 06 November 2004 - 02:29 AM
remember him ??
i was 100% on that one - and yes he is oen of teh top ARmenians - in interpol's web page
HArout jan i liek to see Hillary saying to Billyy -
Whooooossss your Daddyyyyyyy Now / whos yoru prezident - you liek a cigar ???
ya en billy will be dad by year 2050
#191
Posted 07 November 2004 - 05:56 PM
It is true that "hicks" vote republican.
But by that theory who votes democrat? You could say the really poor, immigrants who have not integrated themselves in the society they live in, poor minorities, the young (and relatively immature), educated idealogues and socialist elitists (who seem completely out of touch with reality as they preach philosophical bull).
So that profile is not necessarily better.
#192
Posted 08 November 2004 - 01:48 AM
Yours, Michael Moore
#193
Posted 08 November 2004 - 10:01 AM
its this attitude that will hurt us in the future. Hope Democrats dont fall in this trap again and the party reorganizes, realizes who the core are and what needs to be dont to bring back the swing voters.
#194
Posted 18 November 2004 - 12:39 AM
Very perceptive and lucid post. Such insights are very rare and show a knowledge of economics. As Paul Hein stated:
Political silence notwithstanding, an issue of overwhelming importance is the question of who will issue the world’s "money." We have seen a dozen European countries abandon their own currencies in favor of a single one. Others appear anxious to join the European Union, and use its scrip. For the time being, however, most oil is being sold for dollars. So what?
Modern money is not something that is out there, waiting to be harvested, and available to anyone willing to do the work. On the contrary, it is a fictional entity, represented by numbers (credit) created from thin air by the issuing banks – and no one else. You spend your working life to obtain what these fortunate individuals get for nothing; and which they can stop issuing, or issue in great abundance, without any accountability to you, although you will be profoundly affected by their actions. For example, during a recent visit to Spain, we were impressed by the significantly higher prices for food since our previous visit two years ago. The euro-creators have evidently decided on a policy of inflation. If Spaniards are unhappy about it – tough!
Yes, the Spanish currency was fiat prior to the euro, and its managers could inflate it, too. But if they did so, the peseta would weaken vis-à-vis the mark or the franc, and large segments of the population might be adversely affected by that, and complain to the authorities, who could, if it suited them, do something about it. But when the currency of not only Spain, but also Germany, France, and nine other countries is being inflated simultaneously, to whom does one turn? It’s just a natural, unfortunate phenomenon, like bad weather. The situation is similar to that which obtained in this country prior to the Federal Reserve: private banks could issue their own notes, some of which were "good," or "strong," while others were "weak," or "bad." The Fed eliminated these pesky variations by making ALL currency equally bad, or good, depending on your point of view.
Anselm Rothschild said it first: "Give me the power to issue a nation’s money; then I do not care who makes the laws." Of course! Those who issue a nation’s money own its government; the laws do not apply to them. Today the question is: who is going to issue the world’s money, and thus rule the world? A good question indeed. You won’t hear it asked at any political debate. Some questions are best dealt with, not by circumlocution, but no locution at all.
#195
Posted 18 November 2004 - 02:29 PM
Henry Kissinger: Now, back to defining a new world order
By Henry A. Kissinger AFX
Saturday, November 6, 2004
The election campaign that has mesmerized America - and the world - is over. What remains are the challenges that gave rise to this occasionally frenzied battle and the responsibility of dealing with them.
No president has faced an agenda of comparable scope. This is not hyperbole; it is the hand history has dealt this generation. Never before has it been necessary to conduct a war with neither front lines nor geographic definition and, at the same time, to rebuild fundamental principles of world order to replace the traditional ones that went up in the smoke of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
George W. Bush will have to lead an effort to define and then maintain an international system that reflects the new, revolutionary circumstances.
I supported Bush during the campaign. But the United States cannot tackle this agenda except in the context of a commitment by all sides to healing. All concerned with the future must find ways to cooperate so that the world will again see Americans working toward a common destiny both at home and in the community of nations. It is to such an effort that this article seeks to make a contribution.
No issue requires bipartisanship and international cooperation more urgently than the next phase of Iraq policy. If a radical government emerges in Baghdad - because the United States is defeated or tires of solitary exertions, even more if Iraq falls into terrorist chaos - the entire Islamic world will find itself in turmoil.
Other nations should find it in their interest to participate at least in the tasks of political and economic reconstruction. There is no shortcut: The restoration of security in Iraq, especially in areas that have become terrorist sanctuaries, is imperative.
The first national elections scheduled for the end of January are the next step. They should be viewed not as a culmination but as the first and least complicated stage in the quest for Iraqi self-government.
The country is composed of three major groups: Kurds, Shiites and Sunnis, with the Shiites representing about 60 percent of the population and the other two groups about 20 percent each. For 500 years, the Sunnis have dominated by military force and, during Saddam's rule, with extraordinary brutality. Thus national elections, based on majority rule, imply a radical upheaval in the relative power and status of the three communities. The insurgency in the Sunni region is not only a national struggle against America; it is a means to restore political dominance.
The January elections in Iraq, therefore, must be regarded as the beginning of an extended contest among the various groups, involving the constant risk of civil war, or of a national struggle against the United States, or both.
In the potential cauldron after the January elections, some degree of internationalization is the only realistic path toward stability inside Iraq and sustained domestic support in America. And meaningful internationalization requires a focus other than security, and the participation of countries other than - or in addition to - NATO.
This is not an abdication to consensus. The United States, by virtue of its military presence and financial role, would retain the leading position. After the January elections, an international contact group, under UN auspices, to advise on Iraq's political evolution would be desirable. Logical members would be countries that have experience with militant Islam and much to lose by the radicalization of Iraq - countries like India, Turkey, Russia and Algeria, in addition to the United States and Britain.
While militant Islam is the most immediate and obvious challenge to international order, nuclear proliferation is the most long-range and insidious threat to global survival. The international system is now confronted by the imminent spread of nuclear weapons into the hands of two countries with a worrisome agenda: the odd, isolated regime in North Korea, and Iran, whose current regime has supported a variety of terrorist groups in the Middle East and continues to declare America its principal enemy.
On North Korea, the issue is whether negotiations should be conducted bilaterally between the United States and North Korea or in the existing six-party forum in Beijing, comprising North Korea, South Korea, China, Japan, Russia and the United States.
Each of the parties in talks has special political and strategic objectives in the back of its mind. Thus the technicalities of nonproliferation pale compared with the objective of elaborating a security system for Northeast Asia. A similar analysis could be made in the case of Iran, for which a forum does not yet exist.
In any event, the solution cannot be left to bilateral U.S. talks with the proliferators. The insistence on U.S.-North Korean bilateralism would leave America as the sole enforcer of any agreement at the borders of China. And it would invite Pyongyang to use the new agreement for future blackmail - the pattern it followed after the bilateral agreement of 1994. The same applies in a different context to relations with Iran.
For all their importance, the regional crises are dwarfed by the fundamental transfer of power within the international system. Historians agree that the emergence of a unified Germany over a century ago unbalanced the European system by introducing a state stronger than each of its neighbors. In our age, the rise of China as a potential superpower is of even greater historical significance, marking as it does a shift in the center of gravity of world affairs from the Atlantic to the Pacific.
To be sure, China will not conduct as imprudent a policy as the Soviet Union, which threatened all its neighbors simultaneously and challenged the United States to a contest of survival. The special case of Taiwan aside, it will seek influence commensurate with its growth by diplomatic and political means.
Leaders in both Beijing and Washington have a responsibility to help shape the judgments of emerging generations. With respect to China, the priority should be to keep the nationalism that is replacing Communism from taking a confrontational turn. In America, it is to transcend the temptation to view history through the prism of the most recent experience rather than of the long-range view.
China and the United States require a permanent strategic dialogue at a high level seeking a common definition of long-range purposes - to make them compatible where possible, and to reduce the dangers of confrontation when that effort fails. They need to keep the Taiwan issue from undermining the relationship.
All this brings us back to Atlantic relations. The political campaign has cast Atlantic disagreements in terms of American short-term tactical errors. This is a misreading of reality. The problem goes deeper than personalities.
The impasse is partly due to the fact that the generation that formed the Atlantic relationship has passed from the scene.
In Europe, the nations that invented the concept of the nation-state are now in the process of seeking to abandon their sovereignty to a European Union not yet possessing the traditional attributes of the state.
All this has generated a witch's brew of mutual misunderstandings. These conditions cannot be removed by consultation on any one individual issue, and require a fundamental change of attitude on both sides of the Atlantic. The nations bordering the North Atlantic need to ask themselves the fundamental question that has always underpinned the alliance - that is, what will the allies do for the relationship beyond the international consensus reflected at the United Nations?
Much of European debate today implies that the answer is "very little." To subject common military action to prior approval of the Security Council is incompatible with the very concept of alliance, which implies a special set of obligations. It spells the ultimate disintegration of a world order with the Atlantic partnership as its centerpiece.
The Atlantic relationship, to be meaningful, needs to have a special character. The United States and Europe should be prepared to do things for each other in the sphere beyond the immediate dictates of national interest and without insisting on universal consensus.
A deepening of the dialogue between the two sides of the Atlantic is imperative. should be supplemented by a new approach to the Palestinian-Israeli problem. For decades, the diplomatic stalemate has been deepened because Europe was perceived to champion the Palestinian claims and America the goals of Israel. But new circumstances permit envisaging how the two positions can be brought closer. In this process, the Atlantic alliance could rediscover its common purpose.
The debate between unilateralism and multilateralism must be transcended with this perspective in mind. Unilateralism for its own sake is self-defeating. But so is abstract multilateralism.
The dilemma of our age was perhaps best summed up by the philosopher Immanuel Kant over 200 years ago. In his essay "Perpetual Peace," he wrote that the world was destined for perpetual peace. It would come about either by human foresight or by a series of catastrophes that leave no other choice. Which it will be is the ultimate question the newly re-elected president will have to face.
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