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#41
Posted 24 June 2007 - 12:04 AM
in India its a shame to have a daughter, and so is in china, now this is national level
I wish I had a daughter
#42
Posted 24 June 2007 - 12:08 AM
#43
Posted 24 June 2007 - 12:53 AM
I honestly and thruthfully think that if we had different predicament and neighbours; today we would have had regarded women much more like the Westerners and the Europeans do, more like a man's equal.
It is up to the younger generation of Armenians who are parents to start changing it now. As it starts from home. If every mother and every father start regarding their offspring girls as first class citizens instead of second class, hopefully in about 10-20 years or sooner the gender issues will minimize and we'll also regard women equal to men.
Don't know which Armenian families from which Armenian communities you're talking about, but other than the one in Armenia, every one I've been to treats women as equals -- from Lebanon to Canada to San Francisco (Western Armenians) to France. (I haven't been to Iran, so I can't speak of it; Iranian-Armenian women do seem to be on the dominant side in the relationships in the U.S. though, perhaps hinting at an "emancipation" when coming to the U.S.)
(Լիբանանահայ կիներուն շատերը նոյնիսկ in-home սբասուհի/սբասուհիներ կ'ուենան, եւ ոմանք թագուհիի մը վայելած կեանքէն պակաս չէն ապրիր...)
Edited by Shahan Araradian, 24 June 2007 - 12:56 AM.
#44
Posted 24 June 2007 - 01:27 AM
typical stereo typing
in Italy in 1979 when we were, there was an Armenian family from Beirut, the man who was constantly cussing at the airport to his wife, if it were not of my fathers intervention he would of gone to jail right there.
should i conclude all Lebanese man are eshegs?
#45
Posted 24 June 2007 - 01:35 AM
typical stereo typing
in Italy in 1979 when we were, there was an Armenian family from Beirut, the man who was constantly cussing at the airport to his wife, if it were not of my fathers intervention he would of gone to jail right there.
should i conclude all Lebanese man are eshegs?
Come on now. No offense, but Հայաստանցի men are known to treat women harshly/without respect/in a vulgar way for the most part.
#46
Posted 24 June 2007 - 01:35 AM
#47
Posted 24 June 2007 - 01:37 AM
come to my home and I'm not Hayastant-si, I'm Hye who happens to come from Hayastan, Hayastana-Hye
No Offense taken bud
#51
Posted 24 June 2007 - 10:37 AM
(Լիբանանահայ կիներուն շատերը նոյնիսկ in-home սբասուհի/սբասուհիներ կ'ուենան, եւ ոմանք թագուհիի մը վայելած կեանքէն պակաս չէն ապրիր...)
Shahan; I am speaking mostly about the Armenians from Armenia. Specifically what I read in here they say that they treat their women very harshly, btw; beatings, severe beatings and in some cases even burning hands, etc. etc. etc. Now I am not saying all of the Hayasdancis are like that, of course not. But the majority (which means 60% or more) of women are mistreated by their men. "Shad kesh vijag".
If we speak about the diasporan Armenians, the older generation; some carried their ancient ways towards their families. Which meant the women were subservient to men and thus regarded as second class citizens. But eventually that wore off and of course the newer generation do not treat their wives or their little girls any different than themselves or the men in their life.
{Ի միչի այլոց, ես ալ Եգիպտահայ եմ եւ Եգիպտահայերն ալ շատերը իրենց տանը սպասուհիներ կունենային: Սակայն ես Ամերիկայ կապրիմ ժամանակէ մը ի վեր եւ բայց երբէք չեմ բաբաքիր տանը սպասուհի ունենալ: Կը հաւատամ այն ասաձուածքին, "Թէ մարդ իր տանը թէ ծառան եւ թէ (աղան) կամ Հայերէնով (տէրն ու տիրականը) պէտք է ըլլայ}:
Edited by Anahid Takouhi, 24 June 2007 - 10:39 AM.
#53
Posted 24 June 2007 - 10:46 AM
And since you are a good cook and a great husband, then you are one of those Hayastancis that are very special men who treat their women like gold! Right?
#54
Posted 24 June 2007 - 10:59 AM
It is, when one cannot bite the real enemy, will bite their next of kin. When one cannot "fight city hall" will fight their own loved ones.
It is manifested in animals when they are restricted to high stress and frustration.
When onoe's masculinity, manhood is challenged, when one, as a man, a husband and father cannot provide, one turns on the next person in sight, i.e their spouses or children.
When one cannot fight Ankara will creat fights between Hnchak, Dashnak and Ramkavar. When one cannot fight the Turk will create fights between Yerevan, Beirut and Glendale.
Day after day it is manifested in ghetos where black will prey on black, when Armenian, who cannot bite the real enemy, will prey on Armenian, and so on.
Edited by Arpa, 24 June 2007 - 11:21 AM.
#55
Posted 24 June 2007 - 11:05 AM
Though at this point it cannot be helped until the corrupted regime starts wearing off and becoming less and less, so that the poor will start becoming lower middle class, then middle class etc. etc. Until economy becomes better and the corruption hopefully starts diminishing.
I hope and pray that we'll see that day!!!!!!!
Edited by Anahid Takouhi, 24 June 2007 - 11:15 AM.
#58
Posted 24 June 2007 - 11:35 PM
A recent sociological survey says 60 per cent of Armenian men and 83 percent of women are in favor of having women in politics. The percentages have tripled since a similar report five years ago.
Anahid,
read the post by Arpa again, if this is your referance then I would say you missread and missunderstood
Edited by Edward, 24 June 2007 - 11:38 PM.
#59
Posted 25 June 2007 - 02:14 AM
It is, when one cannot bite the real enemy, will bite their next of kin. When one cannot "fight city hall" will fight their own loved ones.
It is manifested in animals when they are restricted to high stress and frustration.
When onoe's masculinity, manhood is challenged, when one, as a man, a husband and father cannot provide, one turns on the next person in sight, i.e their spouses or children.
When one cannot fight Ankara will creat fights between Hnchak, Dashnak and Ramkavar. When one cannot fight the Turk will create fights between Yerevan, Beirut and Glendale.
Day after day it is manifested in ghetos where black will prey on black, when Armenian, who cannot bite the real enemy, will prey on Armenian, and so on.
Arpa,
You tend to mix different issues together.
Talking about domestic abuse among Հայաստանահայs does not mean we are "fighting" Հայաստանահայs. This isn't a war of us vs. them. This is addressing real problems with real people. And it seems to be a cultural issue more than anything. And yes, Հայաստանահայ culture is different in some aspects than Western Armenian culture (e.g. Lebanon or Canada) and sometimes different from Իրանահայ culture -- and, obviously, there are similarities in common between all of the above, too, such as a shared history and language.
#60
Posted 25 June 2007 - 02:18 AM
I see. Յստակ չէիր գրութեանդ մէջ: Շնոր. բացատրութեանդ համար:
Yes. In terms of cooking and raising the kids... But not in terms of violence towards them as a cultural phenomenon!
Ես ալ չէի ուզէր տունին մէջ ապրող սպասուհի ունենալ (բացի եթէ շատ գեղեցիկ է՝ անշուշտ... ): Բայց այդ մէկը անձնական որոշում է...
Ի՞նչ է կարծիքդ «robot» ունենալու տունին մէջ, ինչպէս այս մէկը: Կարծեմ թէ $120,000ի կը ծախուիկոր եւ ապագային փոքր ինքնաշարժի գինով պիտի ծախուի եւ «անձնական ծառայ»ի ոեւէ գործերը պիտի կատարէ:
Edited by Shahan Araradian, 25 June 2007 - 02:31 AM.
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