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#1 moogey

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 01:53 PM

I'm sure someone in the forum knows the meaning of the name Shaldjian in Chaldjian. I was asked because Chaldjian was known as a special tailor in Cairo.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 02:03 PM

I'm sure someone in the forum knows the meaning of the name Shaldjian in Chaldjian. I was asked because Chaldjian was known as a special tailor in Cairo.

Both sounds the same, it all depends if you are writing in English (Shaldjian) or in French (Chaldjian). I think it means a cover over the shoulders, like a coat of course without the arms and tight fitting. :) It's like a blanket you cover yourself with.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 02:15 PM

American census bureau show's that Shaldjian and/or Shaljian has been appearing startin 1920's... I would guess they fled from Turkey. The only info in Ancesty.com

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 03:11 PM

I'm sure someone in the forum knows the meaning of the name Shaldjian in Chaldjian. I was asked because Chaldjian was known as a special tailor in Cairo.

So! You're looking for the origin of "shal/chal".
Please remove the the perso-furkish J and see that it is "shalian/chalian".
Do you really want to know what “shal/shawl” means?
Yes. We know it is that cloth to cover the “shoulder/shalak’.
Aha!! Shoulder-shawl”?
:P This is silly. Does “shalvar” mean the cover of the lower/‘varin’ organs?
http://www.yarnandfi...rends/S2018.jpg
http://www.silentwit...lg_Shawl-38.jpg
http://i556.photobuc...shawls/424d.gif

In the Armenian looking for “shal” we are referred to “shalag/shalak” , ie. “back/shoulder “
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Origin of SHAWL

Persian shāl

First Known Use: 1662


Edited by Arpa, 15 January 2011 - 07:23 AM.


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Posted 15 January 2011 - 04:32 AM

Both sounds the same, it all depends if you are writing in English (Shaldjian) or in French (Chaldjian). I think it means a cover over the shoulders, like a coat of course without the arms and tight fitting. :) It's like a blanket you cover yourself with.


Thanks Yervant 1.

From what Arpa says about the derivation from the Persian, and what you say, this is probably the meaning. A shawl. The ancestors of Chaldjian may have started making shawls or blankets. Interesting.

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 04:42 AM

So! You're looking for the origin of "shal/chal".
Please remove the the perso-furkish J and see that it is "shalian/chalian".
Do you really want to know what “shal/shawl” means?
Yes. We know it is that cloth to cover the “shoulder/shalak’.
Aha!! Shoulder-shawl”?
This is silly. Does “shalvar” mean the cover of the lower/‘varin’ organs?
http://www.yarnandfi...rends/S2018.jpg
http://www.silentwit...lg_Shawl-38.jpg
http://i556.photobuc...shawls/424d.gif

In the Armenian looking for “shal” we are referred to “shalag/shalak” , ie. “back/shoulder “
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Thanks, Arpa. The Persian Shal has given us the word shawl, and there is a connection with shalak/g in Armenian for shoulder as you say. Shalvar - does not necessarily have the same derivation (even though it's funny to think of those baggy trousers as starting off as blankets or shawls!) Interesting to find out what the real derivation is.
So Shaldjian/Chaldjian's ancestors were perhaps makers of shawls and blankets.

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 05:24 AM

Thanks Yervant 1.

From what Arpa says about the derivation from the Persian, and what you say, this is probably the meaning. A shawl. The ancestors of Chaldjian may have started making shawls or blankets. Interesting.


Arpa - This is a PS to my first reply.
I've googled shalvar, and it's most confusing! The consensus seems to be that it's worn by the women, and by Kurdish men. It's also called harem pants. Some say it's of Scythian or Hurrian origin, but some say the Scythians did not wear them. Did Turkish men wear them in early 20th century?




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