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#21 MosJan

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 04:14 PM

shnorhakal em Nane jan
iy or musalertsineri Panashunts gtnes Hogachap shnorhakal klinem

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:07 PM

For those who understand Russian

Армянское название «толма» (арм. տոլմա) связывается с տոլի (толи), означающим «виноградные листья».По мнению историка, автора книг по кулинарии и истории национальных блюд Вильяма Похлёбкина, само кушанье возникло первоначально в армянской кухне:

С XVII до начала XIX в. Армения была поделена между Турцией и Ираном. В этот период хозяйство Армении, её людские и материальные ресурсы пришли в упадок, но духовная и материальная культура не изменилась, не погибла и армянская кухня. Наоборот, армяне внесли свой вклад в кухню турок-сельджуков, так что многие истинно армянские блюда стали позднее известны в Европе через турок как якобы блюда турецкой кухни (например, долма).

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 07:47 PM

Please tell me that I am spinning my wheels in vain, wasting so much time and breath, talking to the wall, turning blue in the face to get the message across. **
I am not arguing as to whose invention and national food it is. I am talking about language and linguistics. I am talking about the furkish word DOLMA /ԴՕԼՄԱ that the deaf stanbolians wrote it as ՏՕԼՄԱ. From there, regardless how averse they are to the WA orthography, our friends in Yerevan retranslitted it to the Latin Tolma while the correct translit should be ԴՕԼՄԱ not ՏՕԼՄԱ/Tolma.
See how the Persians write it دلما Dolma, some pronounce it as dolmeh

Not tolma, tolmeh
تلما
http://mypersiankitc...uffed-eggplant/

Dolmeh: Bademjan ~ Stuffed Eggplant
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http://mypersiankitc...uffed-eggplant/


Dolmeh: Bademjan ~ Stuffed Eggplant


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolma

**I know furkish and I can read farsi, I know what dolu***.dolma/dolmak /fill/stuff means.
***In stanbol “dolu” is a taxi where all the seats are filled/stuffed.

Edited by Arpa, 10 May 2012 - 07:51 PM.


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Posted 10 May 2012 - 10:48 PM

arpa papik. minchev Argishty tagavorits gravor namak chbrtes or tolman Haykakan chi chem havata. namakn el seppagir pit grvac lini. yev hastatvac urartui notari koghmitc ! :ap:

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 11:13 AM

Please tell me that I am spinning my wheels in vain, wasting so much time and breath, talking to the wall, turning blue in the face to get the message across. **
I am not arguing as to whose invention and national food it is. I am talking about language and linguistics. I am talking about the furkish word DOLMA /ԴՕԼՄԱ that the deaf stanbolians wrote it as ՏՕԼՄԱ. From there, regardless how averse they are to the WA orthography, our friends in Yerevan retranslitted it to the Latin Tolma while the correct translit should be ԴՕԼՄԱ not ՏՕԼՄԱ/Tolma.
See how the Persians write it دلما Dolma, some pronounce it as dolmeh

Not tolma, tolmeh
تلما
http://mypersiankitc...uffed-eggplant/

Dolmeh: Bademjan ~ Stuffed Eggplant
Posted Image

http://mypersiankitc...uffed-eggplant/


Dolmeh: Bademjan ~ Stuffed Eggplant


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolma

**I know furkish and I can read farsi, I know what dolu***.dolma/dolmak /fill/stuff means.
***In stanbol “dolu” is a taxi where all the seats are filled/stuffed.


The furks took our tolma (which derived from toli) and pronounced it dolma/dolmeh/dolmih (what the hell ever you wanna call it). Prove me wrong beyond a doubt.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 04:54 PM

My fav. part of Arpa's speech - "See how the Persians write it دلما " :D

Ha tesa, apsos arabakan tarerov grac parskerene chem haskanum

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 03:59 PM

pastoren sxal eyi lsel, musalertsineri Panashunts che iyl PanirHuts - Panir Hats. iyn Shogov yephvor "byorek" E,

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 04:58 PM

pastoren sxal eyi lsel, musalertsineri Panashunts che iyl PanirHuts - Panir Hats. iyn Shogov yephvor "byorek" E,

Ayo Mos. Marashi mshakouytum mi or ka or kochvi ախոց /աղոց AKHOTS or inknin nshanaki "աղ ու հաց/agh ou hats/salt and bread".
do you know the rite of presenting bread and salt to visiting dignitaries?

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 05:31 PM

arpa papik. minchev Argishty tagavorits gravor namak chbrtes or tolman Haykakan chi chem havata. namakn el seppagir pit grvac lini. yev hastatvac urartui notari koghmitc ! :ap:

Yes, Mos, we will crown you the King of Comedy. :king:
You and tht other stand up comedian Sedrak Mamulian will make a perfect team. Iam not totally surprised considering that you have such master comedians as instructors. Rememeber "yer kath" and "Yek yeghitsi"?
To not forget that other comedian who said "humbug" is from the Armenian համբակ/hambak :P ****
You notice that I am not laughing.. This thread is not in the category of HUMOR, neither it is under Comedistan. This thread is in the category of Culture.

arpa papik. minchev Argishty tagavorits gravor namak chbrtes or tolman Haykakan chi chem havata. namakn el seppagir pit grvac lini. yev hastatvac urartui notari koghmitc !

When you show me a cuneiform/սեպագիր, ***or as those in Yerevan call it մէխագիր/mekhagir. Barev baron mkhjian/nail maker.
Please show me Argishti's handwriting here;
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Don't show me his cuneiform or hieroglyphic script. Show me ehere and when Argishti wrote in the Mesropian script.

DAMN AND A MILLION DAMN!!
Can anyone here read Armenian and English, or are we talking in russky or swahili?
Where did I say that that delicacy is not an Armenian invention?
Please read again, read it a million times.
THE WORD DOLMA IS FURKISH , LET ME REPEAT, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE WORD.
I will relent and acquiesce, remove my hat anytime when someone shows me differently.
DAMN AND MILLION DAMN, HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE WORD, THE WORD DAMN IT!!!
Where is takoush? Don’ t tell me.
READ AGAIN ,READ A MILLION TIMES TO SEE WHAT I SAID ABOUT THAT DOLMA=ԴՈԼՄԱ TURNED TO ՏՕԼՄԱ IN IDIOTIC STAmBOL AND IN TURN IT TURNED BACK TO TOLMA BY THOSE CLOWNS IN YEREVAN. Like when they take Baronian/Պարոնեան and translit it to Paronyan.
We are talking about the letter D=Դ ,not the letter Տ=T.
IT IS DOLMA/ԴՕԼՄԱ NOT TOLMA ՏՕԼՄԱ.
As tc Nvard’s comment . The problem arises because many of our correspondents cannot read or understand our neighboring languages, perhaps except russky, not even armiasnsky.

See how the Persians write it دلما Dolma, some pronounce it as dolmeh
Not tolma, tolmeh تلما but دلما =Dolma ,Tolmeh =تلما


BTW, my Pers-Eng dictionary does affirm that it is a furkish word.
PS Yes, dear MosJan, I saw your comedic masterpiece above, but I don’t know to laugh or to cry.
I don’t think I am getting anywhere here, I am just counting the days when HyForum becomes a part of “history”. Maybe then we will all go to face book** or some other chit-chat, shit-shat site.
**I have no idea what it is, neither do I want to know.
***The Armenian word “sep” as in “sepagir” in fact means wedge, not necessarily a nail.. Thze Armenian word for nail is գամ/gam.
See #14 here;
http://hyeforum.com/...h=1
**** Some day, when I have enough urge and energy I will compile all these comedies. Including but not excluding such Gregory Peck/ Գրիգոր Իփէքեան, Elizabeth Taylor/Եղիսաբեթ Դերձակեան , Stalin/Ստալին being half or full Armenians. To not forget that the Mamikoneans are Chinese, and the Bagratuni-s are jewish. :D :huh: :P

Edited by Arpa, 15 May 2012 - 08:19 AM.


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Posted 15 May 2012 - 01:05 PM

poastoren du qo asatsits en koghm ches el uzzum tesnel.. bari... gnam urish topic batsem...
kam aveli jisht el chmasnaktsem forumi xosaktsutyunerin...

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 02:30 PM

es haykakan food wars a gnum? ba Harisan.....Mosjan Borani a, hamenayn deps Parskahayers etpes enq asum, dexin kojov, soxratsov, u tsorenov....mmmmmmmmmmM, che Sip jan?

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 05:22 PM

meka Spasic lave chka

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 05:35 PM

poastoren du qo asatsits en koghm ches el uzzum tesnel.. bari... gnam urish topic batsem...
kam aveli jisht el chmasnaktsem forumi xosaktsutyunerin...

Ոչ , ոչ Սիրելի Մօս** մի հրաժարիր մաsնակցելուց:

** I hate that furko -Persian “jan” ending. We the Kilikians don’t use it.
Yes please Mos do initiate a separate topic.
Let me suggest Harisa, Herisa the national dish of Musa Ler.
Please show us how it is an Armenian word with etymological and linguistic proofs , and what khorenatsi , his buddies and Ajarian have said about it.
Here is one; Note the highlighted ridiculously absurd part. That it goes all the way back to Loussavorich.Yes, we know that yekeghetsi/ եկեղեցի means "yek yeghitsi/ the coming is done.

http://hy.wikipedia....ki/Õ€Õ¡Ö€Õ«Õ½Õ¡

Հարիսա -Վիքիպեդիայից՝ ազատ հանրագիտարանից
Հարիսա, հայկական ազգային կերակուր է։

Հարիսա -Ցորենի ձավարը և հավի, ոչխարի կամ տավարի միսը ջրով եփում են՝ փայտե թիակով հարելով մինչև մածուցիկ զանգված դառնալը։ Ուտելիս վրան լցնում են հալած յուղ (երբեմն՝ նաև համեմունք)։ Հնում համարվել է ծիսական և տոնական կերակուր։ Պատրաստել են հանդիսավոր օրերին (հարսանիք, ժողովրդական տոներ և այլն)։ Կճուճի մեջ թոնրում ողջ գիշեր եփելուց հետո կերել են մեծ մասամբ կիրակի առավոտյան։ Համարվում է Հայաստանի ազգային ճաշատեսակը:

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"Ավանդապատումը"
Երբ Գրիգոր Լուսավորիչը, Խոր վիրապից դուրս գալով, գալիս է Վաղարշապատ, վաթսուն օր շարունակ քարոզ է կարդում տեղի հեթանոս հայերին, որոնք հետաքրքրությամբ լսում են նրան: Աղքատներին ճաշ տալու համար նա հրամայում է գյուղացիներին շատ յուղ ու ոչխար բերել: Երբ բերում են յուղն ու ոչխարը, Լուսավորիչը մորթել է տալիս ոչխարները. մեծ-մեծ կաթսաներ են դնում կրակների վրա, միսը լցնում մեջը և կորկոտն (ձավարը) էլ վրան: Այնուհետև նա հրամայում է հաստաբազուկ կտրիճներին` խառնել կաթսայում եղած միսը, ասելով` հարեք զսա: Այդտեղից էլ կերակուրի անունը մնում է հարիսա:


Edited by Yervant1, 17 May 2012 - 03:28 PM.


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Posted 30 May 2012 - 03:29 PM

JIM HILLIBISH: TRY ARMENIAN POTATO SALAD, AND FORGET THE MAYONNAISE

ARMENPRESS
30 May, 2012
YEREVAN

YEREVAN, MAY 30, ARMENPRESS: Nations surrounding Armenia are famed for
their highly spiced food. Armenians take an opposite approach. They
believe if food is fresh, it needs a little more than salt, pepper
and perhaps some garlic. Mint is a favorite, reports Armenpress citing
StJames News.

Armenians love grilled meats, especially lamb in olive oil and
rosemary or mint. They set up portable charcoal grills on roadways
to feed travelers, often in kebabs.

Your best chance at sampling this cuisine is in Middle Eastern
restaurants. Ask for Armenian dishes.

Armenian preserved meats are dried to concentrate flavor. They include
a ground beef hot sausage and a salami made with veal. You may find
them in ethnic delis.

Armenian Potato Salad is a favorite side dish. It strips away the
usual thoughts of mayonnaise, mustard and celery seed to make the
dish a nearly pure potato experience. As with most Armenian recipes,
ingredients are at a minimum and preparation times short. You'll find
it a welcome switch from other potato salads.

ARMENIAN POTATO SALAD: 4 medium red potatoes, unpeeled, boiled
and cooled

1 teaspoon salt, 1 tablespoon dried mint or 2 tablespoons fresh,
chopped rosemary 1/2 large, red onion, thinly sliced, 1/4 cup olive
oil, 1/4 cup fresh lemon juice.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 09:43 AM

ARMENIAN POTATO SALAD: 4 medium red potatoes, unpeeled, boiled
and cooled

1 teaspoon salt, 1 tablespoon dried mint or 2 tablespoons fresh,
chopped rosemary 1/2 large, red onion, thinly sliced, 1/4 cup olive
oil, 1/4 cup fresh lemon juice.


+ dash of cumin
+ dash of red pepper (pref. aleppo)

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 12:15 AM

I always make it with dill...and sprinkle some lemon zest too

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 09:45 AM

I prefer the parsley with green onion and lots of virgin olive oil! :)

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 10:24 AM

OK, now we are talking Armenian. MAYBE? Not dolma.sarma and basturma.
Dear Sip, I hate to rain on your parade , and your “anthem”of Ghapama. We will see why.
http://groong.usc.ed.../msg432878.html

Sedrak Mamulyan: Honey and fruit festival is a peculiar response of
Armenia to the world and, particularly, to UNESCO
arminfo
Monday, August 20, 14:17

Honey and fruit festival is a peculiar response of Armenia to the
world and, particularly, to UNESCO, Sedrak Mamulyan, Head of the
Public Organization "For Development and Preservation of Armenian
Cuisine Traditions" told ArmInfo when commenting of Georgia's
intention to introduce itself as a center of honey and wine
production.

"UNESCO must not be the major goal of Armenia, for it is the most
corrupt organization and its main donor is Turkey," he said. Mamulyan
informed ArmInfo that events will be organized as part of Tavush
Religious Revival Fund during which cooks from Yerevan and Tavush will
exchange experience. It is noteworthy that a number of similar
festivals will be held in Armenia till the end of the year, in
particular, a barbeque fest will be held in Akhtala on September 8, a
wine fest will be held on October 6. The year will end with a
"ghapama fest" on December 15.



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Posted 02 March 2013 - 01:44 PM

pastoren sxal eyi lsel, musalertsineri Panashunts che iyl PanirHuts - Panir Hats. iyn Shogov yephvor "byorek" E,


ok i found it. my friends Wife and his Mater made some for us yestorday ..
Thanks to them now at list i know what it is.

will get the info for you all as soon us we start making them our self :)

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 02:19 PM

ok i found it. my friends Wife and his Mater made some for us yestorday ..
Thanks to them now at list i know what it is.

will get the info for you all as soon us we start making them our self :)


Thank you Mos for speaking Armenian (no dolma puleeeez!!).
I am not MusaLeratsi, but I as a kiliketsi can relate to the Musa Ler dialect.
During our youth some boys would recite this taboo ditty- “hats b**ts arqayoutiun” .
Was that from the more rhyming Musa Ler Dialect, i.e “hoots boo*s arqayutiun/bread p***y and kingdom”?
In the Marash dialect bread is “hots” not “hoots”. Just like “chots iss” v “choots iss” .




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