Borat Sagdiev
#1
Posted 31 October 2006 - 05:18 PM
check this out. Go to the page http://www.boratmovie.com/clips.html
then watch the FEATURETTE one !
#2
Posted 31 October 2006 - 07:01 PM
#3
Posted 31 October 2006 - 08:18 PM
What ethnicity is Borat supposed to be? Sounds like he's speaking Hebrew.
#4
Posted 31 October 2006 - 08:39 PM
CAN'T WAIT 'TILL FRIDAY!
#5
Posted 31 October 2006 - 08:41 PM
#6
Posted 31 October 2006 - 09:03 PM
He is jewish his last name is Cohen (the Ali G show) and if you lookup in wikipedia it will confirm it. He is not antisemite he is making fun of antisemites.
I think in reality he is not making fun of Kazakhs but he is making fun of americans. The thing is he recorded people in his movie who didn't even know that it is staged, that it is going to be in a movie. They think he is really a Kazakh journalist.
#7
Posted 31 October 2006 - 09:59 PM
What's really funny is that the guy travelling around with Borat, the character Azamat Bagatov (mentioned in a previous episode as having his anus broken by a giant from Turkmenistan) is actually played by Armenian character actor Ken Davitian.
I'm really looking forward to this movie!
#8
Posted 31 October 2006 - 10:06 PM
He is making fun of Kazakhs and Americans at the same time. Its quite funny to us, but I can understand why Kazakhs are so pissed since he gives off the impression that Kazakhs are backward retards, prostitutes, perverts, gypsy-catchers, jew-catchers, dog-eaters, ill-mannered and brazen, etc....
Enjoy:
http://video.google....4...Borat&hl=en
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#9
Posted 31 October 2006 - 10:21 PM
#10
Posted 31 October 2006 - 11:08 PM
What ethnicity is Borat supposed to be? Sounds like he's speaking Hebrew.
He does speak in Hebrew in the movie and Ken responds in Armenian but everybody else things they're conversing in Kazakh
#11
Posted 01 November 2006 - 08:02 PM
Maybe Kazakhstan shouldn't be so angered by this. They could use this to boost their tourism industry.
#12
Posted 02 November 2006 - 07:51 AM
#13
Posted 02 November 2006 - 09:03 AM
Is it because most Americans don’t know the difference between Kazak and Khazar, whatever the H…@#%… ebrew that may mean.
Many Armenians may still be accustomed to use “kazak” to mean sweater. I will not post any sites, you may search and find the connection using “kazak” -“sweater” as your keywords and see the gamut from Ankara/Angora to Victoria‘s Secret.
My miniscule Furkish dictionary defines “kazak” as “cossack”. Is it really? Are kazak and Cossack synonymous?
In Armenian qatsakh/քացախ means vinegar. Then how about the River Kasagh Քասաղ/Քացախ Khasagh/ Kasakh in Aparan? I spell it with the P rather than B since Aparan is the Armenian word to mean “palace” as in Siamanto’s “Avagh aparanqi nman mets eyir ou shgegh” in his “Ap M@ Mokhir Hayreni Toun/My Farherland, a fistful of Ash.
http://armenianpoetr...m/arm/1157.html
Hey you guys!
What about learning Armenian culture before we delve in Kazak/Khazar/ Kakar, before we go by what jurks and tews say about the culture/turkture/jewkture about the region!!
Edited by Arpa, 02 November 2006 - 10:48 AM.
#14
Posted 02 November 2006 - 09:50 AM
"He might look like a Turk, but definitely not like a Kazakh," she says.
#15
Posted 02 November 2006 - 11:25 AM
There were some good moments and almost all are collected in the trailer. His sidekick was a fat Armenian guy who throughout the movie constantly yelled out his primitive Armenian phrases and at some point ended up completely naked wrestling naked with Borat. That moment could have been reduced to 2 minutes instead it took 10 minutes of sack in the face, compromising derriere action, and just plane 69 with totally nude bodies with a hairy 400 pound guy on top of the skinny hairy guy. And yes, 10 minutes of extreme close-ups of those positions. I have not seen anything that disgusting on the screen yet.
The film was peppered with “This is my sister [French kiss] I have sexy time with her.” “I have sexy time with my mother in-law” Taking his bathroom business placing it in a plastic bag and going to a dinner table to ask the people where he should throw it out? Also him trying to run after every single person in NYC to kiss them and introduce himself was also overdone, it took about 30 minutes of that as well. It's funny that it's the only thing he focused on in New York.
In conclusion the movie left me in utter confusion. There were a few questions. Supposedly he makes fun of everyone, but he choses to be Kazakh who despises Jews. I love the idea of making fun of yourself but he chose to be a part of the Muslim country who has some anti-Semitic sentiments, so was he making fun of himself or ripping apart the country that is making fun of Jews? He chose to show Americans mainly in the Mid-west, and he picked on the most ignorant kind, the Texas racist conservatives, the radical tongue-speaking Baptists in a theatrical church, a bunch of Midwestern jocks who get drunk and utter racial slurs. The ghetto blacks in risqué neighborhoods. And the movie is about his experience in America. I have a problem when a movie like that may send a message to the people around the world and the educated sectors that most of the America is full of idiots. People hold those beliefs as it is and they are flawed. He didn’t pick the cosmopolitan cities, where the economy and culture are blossoming. The thing is that many know better, but what about the rest of the world who will view this film and say “YEP THAT’S AMERICA.” Very marginalized view.
Of course the situation doesn’t get better when you think that he is a British Jew. There are no jokes about the British and no real jokes about Jewish stereotypes. To me that’s not daring, it’s rather a political approach. If you want to make money you are going to exploit the already tarnished reputation of America, tear apart a Muslim country and you will avoid being seen as a self-deprecating British Jew, because most Jews will not support your movie, and let’s look at the film industry. To me this movie was supposed to be daring, fun, unafraid of insults with a very biting sarcasm, instead it was a selective political “propaganda” posing as slapstick biased towards everything humor. Basically dear Borat cashed in on the global disdain of the US and at the same time slandered prejudice Kazakhstan. One backwards world vs. another. It was a very primitive attempt, but I am afraid that many will just look at it as just another “American Pie” humor. I can just see Borat saying “Let’s make a dumb movie about dumb people and dumb nations and show it to dumb people who will think that it’s brilliant because it’s making fun of dumbasses like themselves and they will never suspect a thing.” In that retrospect I believe that Borat will be a box office hit. And I will just return to The Office.
Oh yeah, I was so happy that the Armenian idiot was posing as a Kazakh. It would be pretty awful if his ties to Armenia were revealed in this film. Also, maybe the concept of the film is good for his 30 minute sketches but for 11/2 it gets extremely stale.
#16
Posted 02 November 2006 - 12:31 PM
#17
Posted 02 November 2006 - 07:58 PM
As far as embarrasing Armenians, I think Armenian Comedian has already done it. I haven't seen those late night shows in a long time, but hopefully Jimmy Kimmel no longer invites him.
#18
Posted 02 November 2006 - 08:33 PM
I am guessing you haven't seen Avanak 2.
#19
Posted 04 November 2006 - 04:49 AM
In the case of Borat and Ali G (and Bruno the Austrian), the joke started in England, and only after it became a hit was it moved to America. For Ali G, it was to expose the idiocy of the smartest people in England and America (professors, government officials, etc.) For Borat, it's to expose the other side of England and America; the quite shocking side we never get to see. In England, Borat started off going to upper class events, like horse-racing, fox-hunting, and tea time, just to expose these classes for what they really are. In America, he spent most of his time with your average Joe; the average Joe most of us never get to see. The main question with Borat, like Theroux, is: "What is civilization? And are we really as civilized as we believe we are?"
I do agree that sometimes he goes overboard (I felt the same with Ali G at times), but when he nails it, he nails it well.
I haven't seen the movie yet, but there are plenty of earlier clips on YouTube.
#20
Posted 04 November 2006 - 10:05 AM
please watch it and tell me if that's Ilham Aliyev at the very end, as their leader????
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