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[artusian]

I don´t really think that it is a such god idea to take any consideration on what this so called "high profile" doctor have to say,
by the way this 2 links are not working



all the ones who were voting for the 106 resolution recognize the genocide, even those who vote against it,
now
if a so called doctor want to try to do some history by using the same arguments as the turks do, can he really be an intellectual representing the jewish community with the importance that Artusian try to advance,
I don´t think so

shall we do the same, trying to respond to this argument in order to give an importance to this so called doctor

the line between being furious against a group and hating it is very thin, be carefull

That was not my purpose. I only want to point out the bad behaviour of this individual, that is nothing with his religion and background. This can not be tolearted

[artusian]

The link about him:

http://www2.med.umic.....rnal Medicine

http://www.appointme...rkan/index.html

http://www.med.umich...honorarysoc.htm

[gamavor]

My statement was not to refer to his background but only to point the problem of his individual opionion

The two are connected. If a given person regardless of his background makes ignorant remark about a historic event/crime/tragedy, etc.. you can pass this as ignorance and say, oh well....it doesn't matter. In the case of Jewish negations, there is something more than that. It is their fake superiority and hatred to anything that is not Jewish that governs such mental and psychopath attitude, which I find quite dangerous for the normal human beings.

[AVO]

Jewish person denied the genocide, whats so surprising here? Remember that their leading NGO's do the same. One of them actually called to Turkey and apologized that he was forced to recognize it. It hurts them when someone takes that uniqueness(holocaust) away from them. And no not all of them are this way, but a lot of them just don't care about Armenians. Giving this guy a fraction of importance will only undermine our cause. A lot of people in the world know about Armenian Genocide in part thanks to Turkeys billion dollar campaign to deny it.

[Nikephoros_Phokas]

"Zhou Enlai for his part had no doubt. He called on us to take the lead in organizing an anti-Soviet coalition. It should stretch from Japan through China, Pakistan, Iran and Turkey to Western Europe. The concept was correct but it could not be implemented through exhortation alone. Nixon and I agreed on the importance of Turkey, Pakistan and Iran -- but the next five years would reveal how little domestic support there was in America for viewing key allies in terms of world balance of power."

Kissinger, Henry. Henry Kissinger: Years of Upheaval. (Little, Brown and Company; Boston; 1981) p. 55.

Above gives an example of why the USA does not recognize the Armenian genocide and it has nothing to do with a Jewish cabal conspiracy that is running the world. Secretaries of State, like Kissinger lament that the American population do not think in terms of heuristic calculus of geopolitics and "world balance of power".

He is sadly very wrong because they are many stupid/base Americans thinking "in terms of world balance of power".

Edited by Nikephoros_Phokas, 03 January 2008 - 11:33 PM.

[NoComment]

Artusian, your links only confirm that he is a doctor, absolutely nothing else
sorry and thank you

Gamavor, your video is suck, the conspiracy theory doesn´t work
you may forgot that 2 centuries before the genocide jews were evicted from the ottoman empire whereas rich armenians (the amiras) where ruling turkey behind the sultans (+ the mother of Abdullah Hamid was armenian) + dashnag party help the Young Turks to take power ..... does it make us responsible ???

There´s a major difference between the denial of the thruth and not supporting it.

The disgusting behavior of the jews is to condemn, as our disguting behavior (not supporting in a larger scale the other christians who also were exterminated during the genocide... )

Edited by NoComment, 04 January 2008 - 12:15 AM.

[artusian]

I post what Ariel Barkan said again:

Read his message yourself:

(Armenian Tale of Turkish Genocide Simply Untrue
I am an Israeli Jew, originally from the former Soviet Union, and have no dog in the Turkish-Armenian fight.

Nevertheless, the history of Armenian-Turkish relations is a difficult and complex one, and Jonathan Tobin did it a disservice when he wrote to support the Armenian claim of genocide (A Matter of Opinion: "Choosing Allies Over Principles," April 26).

During World War I, the nationalist Armenian movement was egged on by Czarist Russia to revolt against the Turks. This was designed to protect the flank of the Russian Empire from an attack by Germany's ally Turkey.

The Armenians obliged and unleashed an unprecedented terrorist campaign against ethnic Turks that resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians.

The Ottoman Turks ordered the Armenians ousted from the affected areas. In the process, many were killed by the Kurdish gangs, many died of infections and starvation -- although it should be stated that Turks were dying like flies as well, and from the same causes.

But there was no genocide, because of the lack of intent or organized action on the part of the Turkish government to exterminate Armenians as such. The "ethnic cleansing" was limited to Eastern Anatolia. No Armenian in Istanbul was expelled or harmed.

The Armenians want to preserve the status of victims, not unlike the Palestinians. For years, Armenian terrorists killed Turks all over Europe, sent letter bombs, and set explosives in Turkish cultural centers.
Ariel Barkan, M.D.
Ann Arbor, Mich. )

from this site

http://www.jewishexp.../article/13003/

THis is outrageous and cannot be ignore. THis is the problem. IMagine if an Armenian posts like this about Jews, he has many problems. How does he dare

[artusian]

The two are connected. If a given person regardless of his background makes ignorant remark about a historic event/crime/tragedy, etc.. you can pass this as ignorance and say, oh well....it doesn't matter. In the case of Jewish negations, there is something more than that. It is their fake superiority and hatred to anything that is not Jewish that governs such mental and psychopath attitude, which I find quite dangerous for the normal human beings.

There are radicals from hsi side who are like that. You are right

[artusian]

Jewish person denied the genocide, whats so surprising here? Remember that their leading NGO's do the same. One of them actually called to Turkey and apologized that he was forced to recognize it. It hurts them when someone takes that uniqueness(holocaust) away from them. And no not all of them are this way, but a lot of them just don't care about Armenians. Giving this guy a fraction of importance will only undermine our cause. A lot of people in the world know about Armenian Genocide in part thanks to Turkeys billion dollar campaign to deny it.

Avo, you are right. The problem and question is that we need to be aware of the people like him.

[NoComment]

Artusian, once again you miss the point

you said and I quote

IMagine if an Armenian posts like this about Jews ...

I don´t have to imagine, I just have to read here som topics, as Gamavor´s

Actually, my take on such sophisticated people like this Jew doctor is simple. There WAS NEVER EVER JEWEISH HOLOHOAX! NEVER! IT IS ALL JEWISH PROPAGANDA TO JUSTIFY THEIR OCCUPITION OF ARAB LANDS.
The Jews betrayed the third Reich and made alliance with their ideological brothers in Russia – the Bolsheviks. Naturally, they were relocated from the war zone in order to prevent their collaboration with the Red Army.

I will not even comment on some minor technical issues – such as burning 2 million people through one single chimney. It is all BS….


The best proof that there was never a Jewish shoah is the attitude of the Jews and Israel. There is no way that people who suffered from such atrocities would hesitate to voice their support or concern for those that undergo through genocide. How come, people who have never in their history experienced such horrible things are supportive of the victims, but the so portrayed ARCH-VICTIMS (i.e. the Jews) are silent if not outright denialist.

and sorry, I don´t buy this crap from a so called doctor or the so called Gamavor,
thanks God they are both NOTHING and doesn´t represant us

have a nice day bro

Edited by NoComment, 04 January 2008 - 09:02 AM.

[gamavor]

and sorry, I don´t buy this crap from a so called doctor or the so called Gamavor,
thanks God they are both NOTHING and doesn´t represant us

This statement is 75% correct! I am far from representing anybody else except myself. As to the Jew doctor - he is a TYPICAL representative of his faith and race. If you want me to, I can go ahead and make a long post with all Jewish actions against Armenian cause (esp. in USA), starting from the 30's of the last century and going through Judeo-Turkish academic chairs in USA, who outright deny the very existence of the murder of the Armenian nation at the hands of the Turkish government in 1915.

Even then, you would still not believe it because the Jewish propaganda so much brainwashed you that your psych simply cannot comprehend such malicious attitude on the part of the holy Jews.

[Ashot]

ok let's ju get couple of things clear in here - JEW - is it a race or religion... someone please do tell me! then I will continue with my tought!

[Takoush]

Ashot

He is an Israeli Jew as he says himself. His name is real so his medical information and job. The question is what this man is doing.

This is very dangerous that a man in that position spreads such hate. As a medical doctor/medic he should love people and respect them.

One wonder what he does to his Armenian patients. It is outrageous. He has a dog in the fight. The question is why and what?

Read his hateful message, this is unbearavle.

Artusian

Dear Artusian,

I am not at all surprised if he is a Jew. I once went to a specialist Jewish doctor and when he found out from my name that I'm Armenian and in-front of my daughter, he said to me out of a blue; "so now what do you want to do, save your Armenia and your Armenians????" On stack of Bible that's what he said to me. And he is supposed to be a very high class reputable Jewish well known doctor.

You know what I think? I think that most jews are supporting the turks or the furks in this case; because they're afraid that when the Genocide is accepted finally by most world powers, the truth will come out that the Ittihadists were Doenme Jews. I think that this frightens them and also they want to monopolize incessantly talking about their Haulocaust and continuously having the world feel sorry for them and only them.

[Takoush]

NoComment, in case you do not know the only obstacle worldwide for recognition of the Armenian genocide are the freaking Jews and I'm sick and tiered to listen here and there of some concerned Jew who would think otherwise. I am also sick and tired to listen to false excuses about why Israel and the Jews are not that much "supportive" of Armenian "claims" because of their good relations with the Turks. I understand their friendly relations are beyond the water issues in the Middle East. Simply, there is a blood bond, far more valuable than some superficial politics of the day.


Here, watch this! As they say a picture (or two) worth 10000000 words.

Oh my God!!! That Rafik Bey and Djevik Bey look EXACTLY like JEWS. Their eyes are non-other but Jewish eyes. Very small and I know a jewish face and eyes when I see one!!!! It's very very clear to me now. Only my poor father and grandfather died without knowing who really were behind the turks. The jewish Ittihadists.

[vava]

jew this, jew that.... gimme a break

don't you people get tired of rehashing all this sh!t?

Edited by vava, 05 January 2008 - 01:34 AM.

[Ashot]

vava jan, welcome!!! vontses eh?

[vava]

vava jan, welcome!!! vontses eh?

hoknats.... it,s 2:30 am here, and I have to read this "j" conspiracy garbage again... puts me in a foul mood.

[NoComment]

yeah,
I see the level of some in this forum,

do you want to know what my jewish doctor in philosophy says about the armenian genocide,
watch please and read carefuly if you only can before you return to your antisemitism
may Jesus forgive you,
may our Martyrs forgive this crap coming from this f.. new generation of young armenian people baring a christian cross,

[vava]

yeah,
I see the level of some in this forum,

do you want to know what my jewish doctor in philosophy says about the armenian genocide,
watch please and read carefuly if you only can before you return to your antisemitism
may Jesus forgive you,
may our Martyrs forgive this crap coming from this f.. new generation of young armenian people baring a christian cross,

Nice presentation - do you know when this took place? He's a very eloquent speaker....

[Ashot]

No comment jan, we don't need to get all mad about this, after all everyone is posting their own opinion, let's agree on one thing, that a miserable Israeli Jew has no say in this, therefore he should be ignored and left out of the conversation, let him go to France and repeat his words if he is a man of his words!!!
we have far more work to do then go after one idiot that knows nothing of this world...

besides as I asked and I am asking again - is being a jew a race or religion?