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[Hellektor]

A Turk propaganda program full of despicable lies, the usual Turkish view in the line of “Armenians rebelled against ‘their nation’ they had to be eliminated”, “It was war… People died”, “only 300,000 died so it was not genocide”, etc. was broadcast moments ago on Al Jazeera Intl. (almost 80% in Turkish with English subtitles).

How shall we counter this? I didn't find a blog or comments page regarding this vomit inducing trash on the Al Jazeera website. Can we expect the thugs ruling the RA to care to respond? What about ANCA or the like whose only goal is to force the puppet in the White House to utter the term Armenian Genocide?

Is this because Al Jazeera is based in a Muslim country or they have received a large sum to broadcast such filth? Justin McFarty and similar dregs were the order of the day. They had even found “Armenians” who shared their distorted views. I am outraged and I think I'll lose a couple of weeks' sleep because of this.

Shame on you Al Jazeera, shame, shame, shame...

[Yervant1]

Al-Jazeera is a puppet TV station serving a couple kingdoms and a foreign country, they would as well like to cash in onto the "cash cow" called Turkey. The same TV station also aired so many AG documentaries and films one of which was "Grandma's tattoos".

[Hellektor]

Al-Jazeera is a puppet TV station serving a couple kingdoms and a foreign country, they would as well like to cash in onto the "cash cow" called Turkey. The same TV station also aired so many AG documentaries and films one of which was "Grandma's tattoos".

I saw that too. The problem is the policy. There was a disclaimer by Al Jazeera at the end of Grandma's Tattoos regarding the veracity of the depicted events.

Regarding news concerning the Armenian Genocide during the recent French legislation fiasco the news reader said "THOUSANDS (not even hundreds of thousands or even tens of thousands) of Armenians died during 'events' of 1915", as if those events were in the same proportion as those going on in Syria.

This is a disgusting policy. This much denigration of the Armenian Genocide shouldn't be tolerated in the light of the Turkish infiltration in the Middle East and the hundreds of millions of mainly Muslim viewers of the channel whose opinions will be misshaped by the garbage disposed from Al Jazeera.

[Yervant1]

You know the saying "Who pays the piper, gets to choose the tune". Nobody is after the truth, except for few honest historians and lots of dishonest politicians who remembers the truth when convenient. It's all about interests, be it energy or policies non of which Armenia posses and if it has any as you said it is plundered by the RA so called leaders. Of course diaspora Armenians are all obsessed by AG and devote lots of funds for corrupt parties, maybe buying a TV station instead of paying politicians. Let's face it we're nobody when it comes to world politics and funds.

[Arpa]

With all due respects to Hellektor, Yervant and et al.
Please help me. I am stupid. How does Al Jazeera find its way into the topic of the Big G?
Can we please move this thread to another category like National, International etc. so that people like me who have a huge allergy to the topic of the BIg G can freely enter and comment?
There should be no argument about it. It is a proven fact. There is no need to reinvent the wheel all over again.
See where Hellector mentioned the situation in Syria as reported by Al Jazeera, i.e Sunni Arabia (Saudia and its satellites) and Sunni furkey vs the Alawi/Shii Syria (Iran)

Edited by Arpa, 08 May 2012 - 06:53 PM.

[Hellektor]

The Al Jazeera program called "Common Pain" broadcast yesterday was about the Armenian Genocide, it was "well produced" yet entirely based on the denier's view. Many millions, mainly Muslims watch Al Jazeera and this sort of filth propaganda will mislead them. So far the relation to the Big G.

What I am asking here is: what shall we do to counter this? Who among Armenians has the resources to compel Al Jazeera to broadcast an at least to some extent truthful documentary like the one done by Arte? If you remember, some years ago Armenians compelled Time to kind of revise their dissemination of disgusting Turk propaganda in form of a DVD.

I find this really serious. For instance, some weeks ago a very popular Iranian satellite channel (Manoto 1) based in the UK showed the Arte movie about the AG and the reaction from Iranians was enormous. Hundreds of thousands of Iranians who knew next to nothing about the AG learned a lot. Now imagine a part of these who may also watch Al Jazeera sees another account of the events. Don't you think that their freshly acquired knowledge will immediately be influenced by such distorted propaganda?

Someone should do something in the same way they did with Time.

[MosJan]

yerb mer Athoratench ghekavarutyun@ kshtana $$$ dizeluts, yerevi irenq el heteven mer Sireli HArevanneri orinakin yve mi qich $ tsaxselov qich aveli ardyunqi hasnen.. te che toghel en Anhatneri vra ov inch pit karoghana togh ani

[Yervant1]

Exactly my sentiments Movses, you said it well. How can individuals or small groups fight against the Azeri and Turkish governments spending millions of dollars and buying foreign lobbies and propaganda machines. Having said that we did well by getting over 20 countries accept the AG and the rest of them do not deny it's reality, just don't come out and say it for political reasons. Only the government of Armenia can fight this on a larger scale by establishing a special department with a good budget for it.

[Johannes]

թուրքերը հայ «եղան» եւ սկսեցին մեր ցաւը կիսել, Էրդողանի եւ ամերիկեան շրջանակների մարտավարութիւնն է սա հիմա...Կատարը եւ Էրդողանի Թուրքիան այժմ դաշնակից են, բնական է՝ պիտի իրար աջակցեն:

Ալջազիրան տարիներով իր համար քաղաքացի (հանդիսատես) է պատրաստել, աճեցրել, դաստիարակել. այս օրերի համար: Նոյն զէնքով հայերը պիտի կռուեն, բայց մենք չունենք տարբեր լեզուներով հեռարձակուող հեռուստատեսութիւն, չենք պատրաստուել տարիներ առաջ դրա համար, ինչը կատարում են, կատարել են ուրիշներ:

Արաբական աշխարհում Ալջազիրայի հանդիսատեսները կտրուկ նուազեցին, Լիբիայի դէպքերի՝ եւ յետոյ Սիրիայում տեղի ունեցած դէպքերը ոճրաբնոյթ մեկնաբանութեան եւ ոճրին մասնակցութեան եւ նոնիսկ երբենմ ստեղծման համար:

Արփա՛, սիրելի բարեկամ, ժողովուրդների թշնամիները, նաւթի եւ գազի վաճառականները, նորօրեայ մասոն խաչակիրներն ուզում են մարդիկ մտածեն կրօնի ուղղութեան հետեւելով: Ի՞նչ է նշանակում քաղաքականութեան մէջ մտածել եւ գործել միայն սրա կամ նրա սուննի կամ շիի լինելով: Քաղաքականութիւն չի լինի, քաղաքակիրթ ու ժողովրդավարական ու ազգային մտածելակերպ չէ սա:
Սիրիան ամէն ինչից առաջ աշխարհիկ պետութիւն է, այսպէս էլ կմնայ, իսկ գաղափարախօսութիւնը՝ արաբ ազգայնականութիւնն է: Այո՝ կան յետադիմական մտածելակերպ ունեցող մարդիկ, բաց կան նաեւ մեծաթիւ սուննիներ, ովքեր պետութեան կողքին են. նրանք են պահում Սիրիան:

Ուզում են պետութիւնները քանդել միջհամայնքային թշնամանքով, աւելի մանրերը ստեղծելու, Իսրայէլը հանգստացնելու, նրանց վրայ իշխելը դիւրացնելու եւ կողոպտելու համար:

Հելլեկտոր, սիրելի բարեկամ,
Կգտնուեն հայեր, ովքեր կուրախանան "Common pain"-ի նման պատմական, լրատուական խեղումներ դիտելով, նոյնիսկ յուզուելով արտասուք էլ կը թափեն, տեսնելով որ աշխարն ընդունում է, Ալջազիրան ցուցադրում է, փոյթ չէ թէ դրա հետ ոճրագործները ոճրաբար արդարացւում են: Մեր ազգի մէջ շատ շատ են յիմարներն ու գործակալները, դեռ մի հատ էլ քեզ կը մեղադրեն ծայրայեղականութեամբ:

Մենք Սիրիայում Ալջազիրա այլեւս չենք դիտում: Մի քիչ զուարճանալու համար, երբեմն, նայում ենք, որ ծիծաղենք:

Edited by Johannes, 10 May 2012 - 03:12 AM.

[Yervant1]

Aljazeera.com , Qatar
May 9 2012


Common Pain
An examination of the deep wound that remains at the heart of
Turkish-Armenian relations.

Al Jazeera World

Every year on April 24, Armenians around the world commemorate the
anniversary of what they claim to be genocide.

But almost 100 years after the events of 1915, the use of the word
"genocide" to describe what happened to the Armenians at the hands of
the Turks remains a contentious political issue.

Turkey vehemently rejects genocide claims. It admits that atrocities
were committed but argues that there was no systematic attempt to
destroy the Armenian people. It claims the Armenians were casualties
of World War I and that many people died amid the chaos of a war in
which all sides suffered.

The true number of Armenians that were killed or died in 1915 and 1916
remains a topic of heated debate. The Armenians say the number stands
at 1.5 million. Turkey says that is grossly inflated and estimates the
total to be about 300,000.

'A history of co-existence'

For many, this issue has come to overshadow what Stepan Grigoryan from
the Analytical Centre on Globalisation and Regional Cooperation
describes as "a history of co-existence between Turks and Armenians".

After conquering Constantinople in 1453, the young Ottoman sultan
Mehmet the Second brought in large numbers of Armenians from Anatolia
to settle in the newly-won city.

Over the centuries, they came to hold positions at all levels of the
Ottoman state apparatus - as state ministers, advisers, tax collectors
and even doctors in the sultan's palace. They excelled in trade and
the crafts and helped construct many of the buildings and monuments
that came to symbolise the splendour of Ottoman architecture. The
Armenians became an important and recognised community within the
Ottoman Empire.

But by the 1880s, a growing nationalist sentiment had emerged among
Armenians, particularly intellectuals, with calls for the creation of
a free, independent and united Armenia. The first Armenian political
organisations were born.

Shortly after, Sultan Abdul Hamid the Second created an armed band of
Kurdish tribal warriors, the Hamidiya Brigade, who raided and looted
Armenian towns and villages.

"Because of the hopeless situation Sultan Abdul Hamid became a despot.
He used innovative measures but he also lived with great paranoia,"
explains Pakrat Estukyan, the editor of Agos, an Armenian weekly
newspaper published in Istanbul. "In 1895 the Hamidiya Brigades were
established and Kurds were used in suppressing Armenians. Armenians
suffered great trauma because of this."

A splintering empire

The dissolution of the Ottoman Empire accelerated during the early
20th century. In 1911, it lost Libya to Italy and in 1912, it lost the
Balkans War - and with it most of its Balkan territories. The empire
was splintering apart. And then - in 1914 - World War I started.

In October 1914, Ottoman Turkey entered on the side of Germany.

The Turks were concerned that the Armenians - pursuing their goal of
establishing an Armenian homeland - would help the Russians. On
November 1, 1914 the Russian army began a multi-pronged invasion of
the Ottoman Empire from the Caucasus. Many Armenian volunteers joined
the ranks of the Russian army. The Caucasus - the eastern front of the
Ottoman Empire - became a key strategic war zone.

To eliminate the threat of Armenians allying with the Russians, the
government decided to transfer the Armenian population to other parts
of the empire.

"It was a time of war. And we know what happens in wars," says Melih
Aktas from Gazi University in Ankara. "... I think it would be wrong to
judge these events as harsh or inhumane without a full knowledge of
all the surrounding circumstances and the way war developed."

'The past does not exist'

Sarkis Gallosyan was born in Turkey and today lives in the Armenian
capital Yerevan.

"Unfortunately, I lost two-thirds of my family during the 1915
events," he says. "Only one or two people survived. My mother was one
of the survivors. All her family was eradicated."

But many Turks in local authorities did their best to stand up against
the deportations and the tragedy that followed and there were
instances of ordinary citizens doing whatever they could to help
protect their Armenian friends.

"One of the writers at our newspaper told us a story about his father
and grandfather," explains founding member of Agos Sarkis Seropyan.
"He said that one of the heads of his village called Uncle Hassan hid
an Armenian family in the top floor of his house for a year. He took
care of them and protected them. In Anatolia there were lots of people
like Uncle Hassan but we don't know their names."

During the course of World War I, the total number of casualties in
the Ottoman Empire was to reach as high as five million - about 25 per
cent of the population.

Ziya Meral, an analyst, writer and researcher at the University of
Cambridge, says: "When we talk today of the events of 1915, it is
futile to judge them according to modern law or to try and know who
died and how many and when. The most important thing is to define all
this as a memory of common pain suffered by Anatolia during the fall
of the Ottoman Empire .... The thing we call the past doesn't exist. We
exist. Only the present exists. It has its heroes and their problems
.... As individuals, we must try to talk about these things. If we don't
try to understand each other, face to face and eye to eye, then the
dark pages of the past will leave their darkness on our present."

But a deep wound has remained at the heart of relations between Turks
and Armenians for many years.

This film, Common Pain, presents the Turkish narrative of the events
of 1915 and 1916, providing the historical background and political
context to the tragedy that unfolded.

http://www.aljazeera...1312273227.html

[Hellektor]

Aljazeera.com , Qatar
May 9 2012


Common Pain
An examination of the deep wound that remains at the heart of
Turkish-Armenian relations.


This film, Common Pain, presents the Turkish narrative of the events
of 1915 and 1916, providing the historical background and political
context to the tragedy that unfolded.

This is what's more worrying. The genocidal Turk abomination has "changed" tactics, but it's more than transparent that the whole program regurgitates the same Turk rubbish that "Armenians betrayed 'their' nation and got what they deserved".

Common pain? You break into my home, use and abuse us for nine centuries, give us genocide for thank you, steal our homeland and while the international community is sucking up to you, you fully enjoy the fruit of the Genocide.

I don't give a damn about your "pain", I want my home back and I don't want you in it.

[Hellektor]

Հելլեկտոր, սիրելի բարեկամ,
Կգտնուեն հայեր, ովքեր կուրախանան "Common pain"-ի նման պատմական, լրատուական խեղումներ դիտելով, նոյնիսկ յուզուելով արտասուք էլ կը թափեն, տեսնելով որ աշխարն ընդունում է, Ալջազիրան ցուցադրում է, փոյթ չէ թէ դրա հետ ոճրագործները ոճրաբար արդարացւում են: Մեր ազգի մէջ շատ շատ են յիմարներն ու գործակալները, դեռ մի հատ էլ քեզ կը մեղադրեն ծայրայեղականութեամբ:

One of them this Stepan Grigoryan. I never liked him. I remember him defending the miserable protocols.

Ուզում են պետութիւնները քանդել միջհամայնքային թշնամանքով, աւելի մանրերը ստեղծելու, Իսրայէլը հանգստացնելու, նրանց վրայ իշխելը դիւրացնելու եւ կողոպտելու համար:

Առաջ մեր շահին տարան որ հազար անգամ ձեր Բաշշարից աւելի լաւն ու աւելի ազատամիտ էր:

Հենց այդ սատանա Խոմէյնիով այս դաժան իսլամական յետադիմական շարժումը երեսուն երեք տարի առաջ սկսւեց և դժբախտաբար վերջն էլ չի երևում:

Edited by Hellektor, 14 May 2012 - 06:11 AM.