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#1 Arpa

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 04:15 AM

The O Factor.
How many names do you know that end in O as a form of diminution and or endearment.
Let’s begin with Abraham/Abo/Apo.
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Posted 26 January 2007 - 07:31 AM

What the heck? I have a little time to spare.

Sarkis - Sako/Saro (?)
Avetis/k - Avo
Tigran - Tiko
Mkrtich - Miko
Matevos - Mato
Margaret - Maro
Lusine - Luso
Sharvash - Shavo
Hovhannes - Hovo
Karapet - Karo
Andranik - Ando
Armen - Armo smile.gif

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 08:12 AM

QUOTE(nairi @ Jan 26 2007, 01:31 PM) View Post

What the heck? I have a little time to spare.

Sarkis - Sako/Saro (?)
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Yes, Nair-O/Nar-O.
Very good !
Not to forget "Narot kapel e tsaren ter papan" from "Qun Eghir Balas".
You got the idea except that you got ahead of yourself.
Besides Mach-O, Ranb-O, Angl-O, Armen-O,, Eur-O, Russ-O, Sino-O etc.
Can we get back to the Alphabet/Ayb Ben Gim and see how many there are each in their proper alphabetical order?
We have not yet finished with the letter A/ Ayb.
I know, I know. There will be very few here with names like Armen/Armenuhi/Armo, Andranik/Ando, Artashes/Ardag/Artak/Ardo, Edward/Edo, Movses/Mosso…. etc. to dare contribute.


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Posted 26 January 2007 - 10:12 AM

Gagik - Gago
Vaghinak - Vagho (Vgho)
Vazgen - Vzgo
Shmavon - Shmo
Suren - Suro
Gurgen - Gugo
Anahit - Ano
Artavazd - Arto
Hambardzum - Hambo
Hamayak - Hamo
Miqael - Miqo
Samvel - Samo
Felix - Felo
Telman - Telo
Marqarit - Maqo
Saribek - Saro
Asatour - Aso
Astghik - Aso
Petros - Peto
Gevorg - Gevo
Soghomon - Sogho
Kirakos - Kiro
Davit - Davo
Drastamat - Dro
Elizabeth - Elo
Gapriel - Gapo
Isahak - Iso

can i stop now?

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 12:19 PM

To take it to a linguistic level, it is interesting to see which names can be shortened with -o and which generally cannot or don't. Is there a rule? The other most common diminutive is -ik. Again the question would be, which names are shortened with -ik and which are not. And finally, which names take both -o and -ik. Another point of interest--a more sociological one--is that neither -o nor -ik indicate gender. There are other languages that would have -o and -a, for instance, for boys and girls respectively. Armenian doesn't seem to make this distinction, although arguably more male names take -o than female names.

Arpo/Arpik/Arpenik, my family has called me Nairuk for as long as I can remember.

Harutik, I've also heard Vago for Vazgen. And when I think about it, Margo for Margarit/et.

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 12:37 PM

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 12:41 PM

QUOTE(nairi @ Jan 26 2007, 06:19 PM) View Post

To take it to a linguistic level, it is interesting to see which names can be shortened with -o and which generally cannot or don't. Is there a rule? The other most common diminutive is -ik. Again the question would be, which names are shortened with -ik and which are not. And finally, which names take both -o and -ik. Another point of interest--a more sociological one--is that neither -o nor -ik indicate gender. There are other languages that would have -o and -a, for instance, for boys and girls respectively. Armenian doesn't seem to make this distinction, although arguably more male names take -o than female names.

Arpo/Arpik/Arpenik, my family has called me Nairuk for as long as I can remember.

Harutik, I've also heard Vago for Vazgen. And when I think about it, Margo for Margarit/et.

Very good Nair-o, Nair-a, Nair-ik, Nair-uk. Very provocative. But please, please everyone, we will come to that, we have not yet finished the A/Ayb list, let us exhaust that first. Once we do that we will come to B/Ben list and so on. It is very difficult to decide whether we will stick to the Mesropian Ayb Ben Gim up to O Fe or the Latin A to Z.
Very good Nair-o, Nair-a, Nair-ik, Nair-uk. Very provocative. But please, please everyone, we will come to that, we have not yet finished the A/Ayb list. Once we do that we will come to B/Ben list and so on. It is very difficult to decide whether we will stick to the Mesropian Ayb Ben Gim up to O Fe or the Latin A to Z.
BTW. Even if this is still out of order, many Baghtasars are known as Baghtik.


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Posted 26 January 2007 - 03:16 PM

QUOTE(nairi @ Jan 26 2007, 10:19 AM) View Post

To take it to a linguistic level, it is interesting to see which names can be shortened with -o and which generally cannot or don't. Is there a rule? The other most common diminutive is -ik. Again the question would be, which names are shortened with -ik and which are not. And finally, which names take both -o and -ik. Another point of interest--a more sociological one--is that neither -o nor -ik indicate gender. There are other languages that would have -o and -a, for instance, for boys and girls respectively. Armenian doesn't seem to make this distinction, although arguably more male names take -o than female names.

Arpo/Arpik/Arpenik, my family has called me Nairuk for as long as I can remember.

Harutik, I've also heard Vago for Vazgen. And when I think about it, Margo for Margarit/et.


to think of it now, Maqo is Maqrouhi... (probably)... and Maro is Mariam...

as for -ik, some names take -chik instead... don't ask me why...

armenchik, karenchik...

Edited by Harut, 26 January 2007 - 03:21 PM.


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Posted 26 January 2007 - 03:17 PM

This may come in handy for reference..

http://www.google.co...amp;btnG=Search

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 03:24 PM

QUOTE(nairi @ Jan 26 2007, 09:17 PM) View Post

This may come in handy for reference..

http://www.google.co...amp;btnG=Search

Yes Nairi, you beat me to it. My only concern was the EA/WA spelling. Like Atranig v Andranik.

Edited by Arpa, 26 January 2007 - 03:25 PM.


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Posted 26 January 2007 - 03:26 PM

QUOTE(Harut @ Jan 26 2007, 09:16 PM) View Post

to think of it now, Maqo is Maqrouhi... (probably)... and Maro is Mariam...

as for -ik, some names take -chik instead... don't ask me why...

armenchik, karenchik...

Chik? Like in chick? Then it should only apply to “chicks”, as in agh-chik. smile.gif
I can’t think of any examples but to me it seems to be Rusian influence.


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Posted 26 January 2007 - 03:34 PM

QUOTE(Arpa @ Jan 26 2007, 01:26 PM) View Post

Chik? Like in chick? Then it should only apply to “chicks”, as in agh-chik. smile.gif
I can’t think of any examples but to me it seems to be Rusian influence.


could be...

how about,
davit - davulik
edward - edulik


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Posted 26 January 2007 - 03:39 PM

QUOTE(Harut @ Jan 26 2007, 09:34 PM) View Post

could be...

how about,
davit - davulik
edward - edulik

We already know that -ik is a dimnutive, if endearing suffix as in Harut/Harutik, Moses/Mosik and Hovan/Hovik, Anush/Anushik, Kakach/Kakachik, Maral/Maralik.
Where are they?

Edited by Arpa, 26 January 2007 - 03:42 PM.


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Posted 26 January 2007 - 03:42 PM

Hayk - Hayko
Jirayr - Jiro

There's also Kamo, but I don't know what it's a shortening of.

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 04:00 PM

Khachik/Khachatur- Khecho

Konstantin- Koko

Vahan- Vano

(Ready?) Dyusayzn- Dodo



I enjoy Bghdo. Sounds like a burp. smile.gif

Edited by Zartonk, 26 January 2007 - 04:04 PM.


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Posted 26 January 2007 - 06:21 PM

QUOTE(Harut @ Jan 26 2007, 10:16 PM) View Post

as for -ik, some names take -chik instead... don't ask me why...

armenchik, karenchik...


I've heard the -chik ending as well. But I believe it's rather rare. Same with -ak, as in Armenak. But not Karenak (at least that I've heard of). Obviously -o and -ik are the most productive suffixes, i.e. they can be attached to practically any name in Armenian. It would be a futile exercise to try to make an exhaustive list, since the list would be (almost) infinite.

Speaking of Harut.. I came across Haro in one of the baby names sites (don't remember which one).



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Posted 26 January 2007 - 07:34 PM

Heh, there's also the Turkish name for Harutyun... Artin. wink.gif

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 08:00 PM

QUOTE(Armenak @ Jan 27 2007, 01:34 AM) View Post

Heh, there's also the Turkish name for Harutyun... Artin. wink.gif

You'd better wash your mouth with clorox, that is if you don't want us to send Ovannes/Hovannes after you. And if that is not scary enough we'll send Akob/Hakob/Hako/Ako ohmy.gif
Remember Sayat Nova's given name Aroutin/Harutyun?
Artin is very common in Kilikian Armenians, it is an abbreviated form of Arutin. The Hee may have been dropped just like we drop it in Hajogh/successful to Aj/right hand, or visa versa.

Edited by Arpa, 26 January 2007 - 08:10 PM.


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Posted 26 January 2007 - 08:27 PM

Well, yeah, it's often used as a shortening by Armenians, but wasn't the part about the Turks correct?

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 08:30 PM

QUOTE(Armenak @ Jan 27 2007, 02:27 AM) View Post

Well, yeah, it's often used as a shortening by Armenians, but wasn't the part about the Turks correct?

NO!!!
Of course this semantics, i.e. playing with words.Idon't think you read my above comment or maybe did not understand it.How can it be Turkish? When did Turks name their children Arutin/Harutyun/Artin? Why would Turks be involved in how Armenians call their own names? Is Sargo/Sako Turkish too?

Edited by Arpa, 26 January 2007 - 08:36 PM.





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