Opening Of The Border
#1
Posted 07 May 2004 - 09:27 PM
anyway as i see it, it is better for the borders to remain closed at lest until the local economy and the manufacturing infrastructure recovers.
What do u think?
#2
Posted 08 May 2004 - 05:45 AM
#3
Posted 08 May 2004 - 11:53 AM
Except from those sort of "spivs" I don't see how anyone could want the blockade to continue for even a day longer than Turkey maintains it. And of course there are more important issues than just freeing the people of Armenia from suffering from overpriced, inferior goods.
But, as for the opening of the border - it isn't going to happen anytime soon.
#4
Posted 08 May 2004 - 12:55 PM
Edited by Vigil, 31 May 2004 - 04:42 AM.
#5
Posted 08 May 2004 - 02:23 PM
#6
Posted 09 May 2004 - 07:15 AM
exactly what is said above there.I will give you Lebanon as an example:
we in Lebanon had an average economy but not superb ,mostly dependent on small and medium industry,after a new "economicaly very libral"billioner Prime minister took over the country the protactionizm was lifted the borders have oppened without taking into consideration the interests of his own people.
so the entire market was flooded with Chinese,Turkish and Syrian products,you tell me what happened,the whole national product came into stagnation,hundreds of businesses are closing their doors thousand workers are being layed out other thousands are keeping line at the western embassy doors for inevitable immigration.
if Armenia wants to make a good product doesnt need to take the technology from the turks he can go directly to the source to japan,China,Taiwan,Coria,malisia,and more, all these would be happy to invest there,and cocequently could even export them to surrounding countries even to turkey itself in the future.
Which is exactely the point of Turkey, to hit when you are at your weakest,he knows very well that sooner or later it is inevitable that Armenia to become an Industrial and technological center ,at least due to its smart and inteligent and technology-wise people on one hand and vast Diaspora on the other which could easily become product exporter to Turkey itself rather than importer ,so he is striving to work on both fronts:open the border with armenia as soon as possible control the economy there before its too late AND play the theme of contradiction between Armenia And Diaspora to nullifye Latters vast possibilities which could play crucial role later on in Armenias development.
to achieve this goal he is even turning his back to his long time ally Azerbaijan and jeoparising the relation with it!!!
Edited by mx5, 09 May 2004 - 12:25 PM.
#7
Posted 10 May 2004 - 04:38 AM
#8
Posted 10 May 2004 - 11:56 AM
Edited by hytga, 10 May 2004 - 11:57 AM.
#9
Posted 10 May 2004 - 01:24 PM
We need to be competitive, for that we need the lowest possible cost inputs. Armenia will never be an industrial powerhouse, one would have to be delirious to believe that. Our vocations is in light industry and services with some specialty extractive and agricultural products thrown in. Opening the borders has the same rationale as breaking up the telecom monopoly: cheaper and better services. Certainly in the beginning unemployment might even go up, but if we don´t believe we can compete, in the right places, then what is the point of all the arguments about our industriousness and otherwise above average entrepreneurial and inventive capacities ? Should we fear Turkey ? Should we fear their cheap cookies, cheap textiles and so on ? Of course not, as Stormig mentions they are already there, but are just more expensive given the cost of going through Georgia. Opening the border means growing up, accepting the reality of a competitive world AND profiting from it. Armenians move and have moved all over the world often starting from scratch, not even knowing the local language properly and the like. What kind of argument can be made for keeping the border closed ? None, unless our self assessment is 180 degrees wrong.
Edited by Boghos, 10 May 2004 - 01:26 PM.
#10 Guest_DoJudo_*
Posted 22 July 2004 - 01:11 PM
Open corruption has to stop. Bribe taking police is the first thing that should stop.
#11
Posted 22 July 2004 - 01:37 PM
"Entire world" sounds a bit too daring. Also, what is an economically and militarily strong Armenia going to do to get the genocide recognised? Say "Boo!"?
Like I said, I don't see how anything is going to get better if things keep the way they are. Someone enlighten me if they're so sure of it.
#12
Posted 22 July 2004 - 02:06 PM
Opening of the border one must realize is always beneficial to sides involved and beyond.
However, in the case of Armenia-Turkey border if I’m not mistaking here, Turkey is the one who always put front preconditions and terms. ROA’s official stand, as far as border issue is concerned, had stated many times in the past, is ready to open the border with no preconditions or terms, and there was a never an issue regarding the Genocide. And I don’t believe Armenia ever set a precondition regarding Cypress.
#13
Posted 22 July 2004 - 02:12 PM
That's the bizarre thing - the closing of the border has everything to do with Turkey and nothing to do with Armenia (aside from Armenia sharing the border) and as you said there are no preconditions or terms, yet people sitting on their arses can pontificate for the preservation of the "work of the Turk."
As for Cyprus, that was three decades ago and even the EU is moving beyond it now.
#14 Guest_DoJudo_*
Posted 22 July 2004 - 04:45 PM
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