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#1 Ludwig9

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Posted 09 October 2006 - 03:11 PM

Turkey Former Foreign Minister offered to deport 70 000 Armenians migrants

[ 09 Oct. 2006 17:50 ]

“Turkey should deport 70 000 Armenian migrants if the bill on punishment for denying Armenian genocide is adopted by France Parliament,” Yashar Yakish, Turkey former Foreign minister and chairman of the Parliament’s Adaptation Commission to the EU said, APA reports.

He said 70 000 Armenians work illegally in Armenia.
“They will have problems when Turkey government sends them back to Armenia. Armenians should realize its responsibility,” he said. /APA/

http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=15197

Can anybody tell me whats wrong with this article?

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Posted 09 October 2006 - 04:38 PM

QUOTE(Ludwig9 @ Oct 9 2006, 05:11 PM) View Post
Turkey Former Foreign Minister offered to deport 70 000 Armenians migrants

[ 09 Oct. 2006 17:50 ]

“Turkey should deport 70 000 Armenian migrants if the bill on punishment for denying Armenian genocide is adopted by France Parliament,” Yashar Yakish, Turkey former Foreign minister and chairman of the Parliament’s Adaptation Commission to the EU said, APA reports.

He said 70 000 Armenians work illegally in Armenia.
“They will have problems when Turkey government sends them back to Armenia. Armenians should realize its responsibility,” he said. /APA/

http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=15197

Can anybody tell me whats wrong with this article?

People who live in a glass house shouldn't throw stones at a glass house.
What if other countries did the same thing and deported illegal Turkish citizens in their countries? I bet it's more than 70,000 people.
Turkey threatens France, if they approve the bill on AG they will put forward a bill in their parliament that France commited Genocide in Algeria. Isn't this indirect acceptance of AG by Turkey?

#3 zurderer

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 12:55 PM

These are mentioned by some people(not goverment.)

It is disgusting, we are learning this type of things from russia or france. That 70.000 armenians(And other people) should be deported because they are illegally at Turkey, not because They are armenian.

That glass house thing is dont work. how can turkey protect that illegal immigrants. It is other countries right to sent them back.

#4 kakachik77

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 01:20 PM

how about when Armenians were illegally deported from their homeland (aka modern Turkey) 90 years ago?

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 01:26 PM

Infact They were legally deported. There was a law about deportion.

Edited by zurderer, 10 October 2006 - 01:27 PM.


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Posted 10 October 2006 - 07:02 PM

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Infact They were legally deported. There was a law about deportion.


How can you legally deport someone from his homeland????

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 07:48 PM

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How can you legally deport someone from his homeland????



Apparently you can, if you use the "terra nullius" argument, which probably wasn't frowned upon at the time.

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 08:19 PM

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Apparently you can, if you use the "terra nullius" argument, which probably wasn't frowned upon at the time.


Yes, but apparently this argument could not be used with regard to my ancestors since they lived in their homeland for 4 000 years. Rather the argument employed by turkish facsists was imposition of somekind of collective guilt. Speaking of "terra nullius"...Europe should take all the turks all over the world in Europe, because Europe created Turkey.

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 09:28 PM

QUOTE(gamavor @ Oct 10 2006, 10:19 PM) View Post
Yes, but apparently this argument could not be used with regard to my ancestors since they lived in their homeland for 4 000 years. Rather the argument employed by turkish facsists was imposition of somekind of collective guilt. Speaking of "terra nullius"...Europe should take all the turks all over the world in Europe, because Europe created Turkey.

And first Turkey and the turks massacred a great many eastern Europeans a while back and as of now the turks want to take over all of Europe.

Well well Gams; I'll say Europeans they darn very well deserve it and Europe and Turkey deserve each
other as well.

Edited by Anahid Takouhi, 10 October 2006 - 09:29 PM.


#10 Armenak

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 09:40 PM

Ես Թուրքերի և Ալժերիացիների մերը:

The latter are being opportunistic and slapping us and the French in the face. Screw them.

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 09:50 PM

Algerians should be forever grateful to the French. If there were not the French Algeria would still be in the stone age.

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 10:19 AM

Either way, what happened in Algeria was not genocide. The legal definition of what a genocide is exists for a reason.

Another very mature response by the 6-year-olds in the Turkish government that will only see anti-Turkish feelings in Europe rise. Well done I say.

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 11:05 AM

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It is disgusting, we are learning this type of things from russia or france.

Indeed. Or perhaps you have forgotten about the Turkic invasions, the history of the founding of the Ottoman Empire, the Armenian Genocide, and on and on it goes. Pointing to France's or Russia's history will not save you, I am afraid. Ironically, you also taught the Kurds to massacre Armenians, or was it the other way around (?) and now they have turned against you. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. ohmy.gif

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That 70.000 armenians(And other people) should be deported because they are illegally at Turkey, not because They are armenian.

So what this person is saying is that those ARMENIANS (he did not refer to other illegal migrants, and his threat was clearly a DIRECT RESPONSE to the French insistence on recognition) should be deported not because they are ARMENIAN illegal migrants, but because they are SIMPLY illegal migrants? I wonder why he brought it up NOW? huh.gif

The bottom line being, you are not making any sense.

By the way, I hear there are millions, not just thousands, of illegal Turkish migrants in Germany alone. How would you like to see them deported? Or would that "prove" that there is some grand conspiracy against Muslims in the EU? biggrin.gif

Break free,

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 11:48 AM

AZERBAIJAN WARNS FRANCE

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Tomorrow the French Parliament will discuss a draft according to which the negation of the Armenian Genocide is criminalized with a penalty of 45 thousand Euros and five years of imprisonment. In this connection the Azeri Milli Mejlis has sent a warning letter to the French Parliament.

The letter runs as follows, “The information about the discussions of the draft criminalizing the negation of the Armenian Genocide caused our great concern. We call on you to approach facts far from the reality with care. There is no doubt that in case of its adoption the law will contradict freedom of speech which is one of the most important issues in protecting human rights and fundamental freedoms. Besides, the law will call into question the impartiality of France as co-chair of the OSCE Minsk group which engages in the settlement of the Armenian-Azeri conflict over Nagorno Karabakh. This is why the Republic of Azerbaijan calls on France to be careful in discussing the issue”.

The letter was adopted by Milli Mejlis on October 10, day.az informs.

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 12:03 PM

lets see - we have 10 + hours left

DISPUTES OVER ‘ARMENIAN’ BILL IN FRANCE

The French National Assembly will vote today on a bill that stipulates that a denial of the Armenian Genocide can carry up to one year in jail and an additional fine up to 45,000 euros. The bill is coming to supplement the French law of 2001 recognizing the Genocide.

On the eve of the vote there was no unanimity even among the Socialist Party members who had submitted the bill.

Le Figaro writes that Patrick Devejian, MP of the ruling Union for a Popular Movement party (UMP), submitted an amendment proposal to "exempt the studies of historians and scientists on this issue from the scope of the bill."

The bill has infuriated Turkey. On Tuesday prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan called on France to recall its own colonial past. Ankara threatens to impose on France trade and political sanctions.




Aznavour: I Expect MPs to Listen to Their Hearts and Vote
12.10.2006 16:48 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian
/PanARMENIAN.Net/ In a statement to the French newspaper Le Parisien, ethnic Armenian singer Charles Aznavour says "This is honorable behavior on the part of France. I expect the MPs to listen to their hearts and vote. I am proud to be a citizen of France, which recognizes the Genocide of Armenians. When on one side 1.5 million Armenians died, and on the other side, no one died, you cannot call this war. What you call this is genocide."

Le Monde writes, "Presidential candidates Nicolas Sarkozy and Socialist Segolene Royal are in support of the bill's passage. Segolene Royal, who is widely expected to be a serious competitor in next year's presidential elections, said "If Turkey wants to be a part of the EU, it must recognize the Armenian Genocide." "We are not in the position of teaching anyone a lesson, but there are some things which we must do," she added.

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 12:20 PM

QUOTE(zurderer @ Oct 10 2006, 03:26 PM) View Post
Infact They were legally deported. There was a law about deportion.


Since the parlement was illegaly dissolved, the Ottoman constitution thrown away, the Ittihadists had no legitimate right to instore any special law..., the Armenians thosefor could not have been legally deported from a government who had no legal right to rule, since it was formed by the illegal dissolution of the chamber and the declaration of war was illegal according to Ottoman laws, every decisions taken as a result could only be illegal.

#17 zurderer

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 01:00 PM

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How can you legally deport someone from his homeland????


You can put a law and deport people. There were slavery laws too. Legal doesnot mean right, law does not mean justice. They just have some contact.


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Algerians should be forever grateful to the French. If there were not the French Algeria would still be in the stone age.


Indeed. But you should be grateful to Turks too. If there were not Turks, You would be still live in poorness and stone age at eastern anatolia. but now you are living most advanced countries of world.(France, Usa.)

No need to thanks.We dont deserve it like french.

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Either way, what happened in Algeria was not genocide. The legal definition of what a genocide is exists for a reason.


Acording to generally accepted meaning of genocide, what happened at algeria was genocide.

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Indeed. Or perhaps you have forgotten about the Turkic invasions, the history of the founding of the Ottoman Empire, the Armenian Genocide, and on and on it goes.


I think you missunderstood me, even at historically Turks are not worse or better than Europeans. Every body have their bad and good past.

By the way, isnt ottomans better than byzantium?


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Pointing to France's or Russia's history will not save you, I am afraid.


I am talking about ideas some people mentioned in Turkey.Like accepting algeria genocide(Using people suffer for politic.), and exiling unlegally armenian immigrants.(this is what russia did.)

It is ironically some people think, If someone make a crime, we have right to make that crime too.
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Ironically, you also taught the Kurds to massacre Armenians, or was it the other way around (?) and now they have turned against you. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.


Well maybe you should say some of them. Still DTP(PKK legal party) get less than 50% vote of kurds.

Infact Turkish parties(AKP, even MHP) rules some of kurdish cities.(Van, Iğdır,ext.)
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So what this person is saying is that those ARMENIANS (he did not refer to other illegal migrants, and his threat was clearly a DIRECT RESPONSE to the French insistence on recognition) should be deported not because they are ARMENIAN illegal migrants, but because they are SIMPLY illegal migrants? I wonder why he brought it up NOW?


wrong that person is saying we should exile illegal armenian migrants, because they are armenians. As I said before, It is sad that moron only takes bad part of world.(Russia.)

And It is also sad, He is talking about illegal immigrants(Not only armenians), and do nothing for this.

This is between france and Turkey and has no relation with poor armenian workers.

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By the way, I hear there are millions, not just thousands, of illegal Turkish migrants in Germany alone. How would you like to see them deported? Or would that "prove" that there is some grand conspiracy against Muslims in the EU?



I dont like because these illegal migrants will suffer, but I think germany has absolutely that right.

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Since the parlement was illegaly dissolved, the Ottoman constitution thrown away, the Ittihadists had no legitimate right to instore any special law...,


It is interesting when It comes to genocide, you accept they represent ottomans(Turks). If Ittihadist have no right to instore any speacial law, they have absolutely no right to represent Turkish people too.

So maybe you should stop to claim that Turks genocided you.

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 02:14 PM

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Acording to generally accepted meaning of genocide, what happened at algeria was genocide.

So what is the "generally accepted meaning of genocide"? Can you tell me the difference between genocide and massacre?

The rest of your replies are not worth my time. How is pointing out the wrong acts of one country because we are discussing its actions, equivalent to ignoring the (similar) wrongdoing of another (you pointing to France & Russia)? huh.gif So every time we talk about genocide, we should enumerate all instances of it, and ONLY after that proceed to the heart of the discussion? That makes no sense. huh.gif

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 02:15 PM

Forceful transfer of populations is considered as part and parcel of ethnic cleansing, regardless of what laws the Ittihadists passed or did not pass. End of story.

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 02:22 PM

zurderer is one stuffed turkey. wink.gif




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